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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:34 am

@Idefix13 wrote:
I'm late - I know - but here is something to add for Madine:

You can find a Kenner version with Hong Kong only coo with moulded face - so you need to be carefully when buying a "Ledy Madine". You can also find a Kenner "soft" (less detailed) version of his staff. Personally I'm unable to see any difference between the less detailed Kenner staff and the Ledy version.

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Hi Uli

Don't worry about being late, honestly every TIG member who makes a contribution here about any given figure is always right on time. Very Happy

Thanks for the info: Now I know I have to pick up a moulded face Medine having the same COO as the Ledy variant to make a better comparison pic. Is this a common variant?

I will also look for a Kenner ''soft'' staff.

You agree about the conclusions on Lumat?



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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:53 am

Well all Lumats are LL Smile - I'm fine with that but you could have written it shorter my friend Wink

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:37 am

LOL

Yeah I first wanted to present some supporting evidence before drawng any conclusions.

Just my bad habbit, I'm afraid. I can't promise it won't happen again. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:19 pm

Here is a picture of my LL Madine (right) to the Kenner version (left). Both have a HK only coo and moulded faces:



You can use it until you found one for your personal comparision shot if you want.

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:09 pm


Great comparisson shot Uli. No need to post another. Very Happy

What do you think, compared to his molded face brother, the Ledy Madine has:
- lighter grey beard
- pale blue instead of dark blue eyes
- glossy instead of matt black gloves and boots.
- glossy instead of matt blue sleeves
- a darker grey suit


So apart from the head the differences seem to be the same as when compared to the molded beard Madine.


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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:33 pm

I'd say:

- lighter grey beard - and hair
- pale blue instead of dark blue eyes
- glossy instead of matt black gloves and boots.
- glossy instead of matt blue sleeves - I'd call them also darker blue - the main and easiest to see difference imo
- a darker grey suit - no imo not

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P.S. the brown V3 palace blaster was not used for any LL figure as far as I know. It came with the Kenner Made in Hong Kong Luke Jedi only
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:05 pm


OK, many thanks for your help on the Madine differences, Uli.


Also good to know that the grey/brown V3 blaster was only released by Kenner and not by Lili Ledy.


BTW: Do you have a Emperor in your collection which has the exact same COO as a Ledy, but isn't Ledy. I haven't seen one yet.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:09 pm

I fear I can't help you here - my Emperor variant collection is quite small... I only have the 3 different Emperors.

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:20 pm



**************************************** BREAKING NEWS *************************************************

  1. The Boushh entry has been updated with a few variants slightly differing in the colours of the pants and facial details: Page 3

  2. The Royal Guard entry has been updated with a variant having a different arm slit and a force pike variant: Page 3

  3. Time flies since I joined TIG 9 months ago, this will be my 500th post. This is a great place. Do I get promotion now Jay? Very Happy



**************************************** BREAKING NEWS *************************************************

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:15 pm

YO Doc your doing an excellent job on all the info and pic's. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
I'll promote you to Captain Kik Ass.
The Ledy force is strong with this one.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:28 am



**************************************** BREAKING NEWS *************************************************

  1. The Madine entry has been updated with comparison pics of a a molded face Kenner Madine and his Ledy brother (thx Uli!): Page 8

  2. Extremely rare sunburn variant dicovered for Ledy Chief Chirpa, see the pics below. Very Happy







**************************************** BREAKING NEWS *************************************************

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:31 pm

Great thread Marco / guys - keep going Smile

I know ive just came back and im rusty and im not going to step on anyones toes, my concern is just getting the guide moving so ill concentrate on getting pix/info from here for updating it with Chris if thats ok with you guys?
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:43 pm


RANCOR KEEPER


COO guide for Rancor Keeper: No. 2 and 3 are shared by Kenner and Lili Ledy.



Rancor Keeper: Lili Ledy on the right.


Rancor Keeper: Lili Ledy on the right.


Rancor Keeper: Lili Ledy on the right.


Rancor Keeper: Lili Ledy on the right.


Rancor Keeper: Lili Ledy on the right.


Rancor Keeper: Lili Ledy on the right.



DIFFERENCES:

  • According to the COO guide, the Lili Ledy Rancor Keeper has an unique COO#3. This is not true. Both COO #2 and #3 are shared by Kenner and Lili Ledy figures. Both COOs represent steelmoulds that were used in parallel.
  • Compared to his no COO brother, the Lili Ledy Rancor Keeper has:
    - a more pinkish/apricot skin
    - glossy instead of matt boots
    - glossy instead of matt wrist and elbow armour (I found that for all my LL Rancor Keepers see the comparison pic).


Comparison of wrist and elbow armour: Matt (no COO, figure on the left) vs Glossy (Ledy, all three figures on the right).


ACCESSORIES:

  • The LL Rancor Keeper came with a hood which is very dark grey and made out of hard plastic. The hood is a shade darker in comparison to the no COO hood. The Ledy hood can have a "A" or "C" inside.

    Comparison of Rancor Keeper hoods.


  • The LL Rancor Keeper came with a dark grey staff (vibroblade) which is a shade darker compared to the no COO staff and much darker than the Taiwan staff.
  • Be aware not to buy a repro staff. At first glance you might think this repro staff seems OK cause it is darker than the Taiwan version. However keep in mind a true Ledy staff is much darker. Furthermore the repro staff has a blunt ended tip and sinks in water. Why do I tell you this? Cause I made the same mistake head bang and don't want you to make it too. Here is a comparison shot for your convenience:


Comparison of Rancor Keeper vibroblades.


Comparison of Rancor Keeper hoods and vibroblades. Left: no COO (trilogo). Right: Lili Ledy.
A Nikto Ledy axe was added for comparison. As you can see, it is cast in the same dark grey plastic as Rancor Keeper's vibroblade.




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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:30 pm

Marco you realy have got the skill's man,kudos.
I wish i could do pic's and representation like you.
You realy are making a great difference here on TIG,you explain thing's so clear even i can understand,you rock dude .
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This information is rock solid.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:50 am

Yep the Rancor Keeper info ties in with my figure also Marco, you are 100% correct Smile

Ledy Stormtrooper variant number 2 will be added to our Ledy guide sometime today by Chris, there is only 2 small differences on the datestamp area, thanks to Wolff for the image Smile
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:37 pm

@Dr Dengar wrote:



Zuckuss: Lili Ledy on the right


Zuckuss: Lili Ledy on the right


DIFFERENCES:
  • Both figures look nearly identical and have the typical LL traits (same COO, big circles behind the heels), except for the colour of the belt and the ´nose´ tip.
  • The LL Zuckuss has a dull silver instead of a shiny silver belt.
  • The LL Zuckuss has a darker red nose tip.
  • The LL Zuckuss is casted in a darker gray plastic.


What might be the origin of the left Zuckuss. China baggie? (James) Lili Ledy variation? (Ben). Both?



This week I saw this AFA graded Ledy Zuckuss offered for sale by sacko. This Zuckuss clearly has a shiny silver belt. I guess AFA knows what they are grading, at least that is what they are paid for. Very Happy

So this means that both the shiny silver and dull silver ('grey') belt versions can be Ledy?





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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:32 pm

Hey guys.

I actually have 3 AFA 85 graded zuckuss. I know this is a tough figure to identify.

So here is the layout of my 3

1. AFA 85 - Silver shiney belt, matte eyes and brighter red nose (For sale)
2. AFA 85 - Dull belt, Shiney eyes and a darker red nose (deep dark red)
3. AFA 85 - Dull belt, Shiney eyes and a darker red nose but not the same as 2 (lighter dark red)

They all seem to be the same body color but it is very difficult to tell. I had my wife look and she also had trouble seeing any difference in this area.

I really do believe that the figures varied and depending on the day figures could have appeared different. My guess is we could have Tom D take a look at the pics.

This is what made collecting ledy figures so very difficult and my attraction to both cut carded figures and U graded figures. With those 2 categories I know the ledy figure I have in my collection is legit. I do not agree with U grading in general so please understand the above statement and no attacks on poor sackman Smile.

The actual key may be in the eyes. Do we know of any ROTJ kenner carded Zukuss figures with shiney eyes?

Last thing with the pic above comparing the 2. I know Zuckuss appears to be darker when the figure has started to yellow. Not sure but the figure above looks like he may have yellowed a bit giving him a darker mold appearance.

Hope that helps guys

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:21 pm

Hi Sacko, good to see your still around m8 Wink

Uli and i were having a similar conversation earlier about grading - considering were finding new information all the time - are they correctly grading figures and their proper accessories?

(Room there for a TIG grading category Wink )

I also thought the same about other Ledy figures when we were reviewing the AT-ST driver, we know Matt and Gloss paints were used and even a mixture of both which puts other figures into question that may have previously been discarded, the plot thickens Smile

I can really say - ive been missing this shit Wink
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:26 pm

Good to see you old friend! I will try to contribute more and hopefully help find some answers Smile. Sure helps to have you back.

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:34 pm

Im a lil rusty with that years adventure i had haha but im focused Smile
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:50 pm

Thank god for threads like these. I just purchased a very large collection and just started going through them all. I am trying to pick out all the different variations. Its fun, but not fun at the same time. Especially when its over 800 figures.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:39 am


I love this thread massive kudos to everybody involved Smile

Detective Rob great to see your fully back in the zone bro Smile Jason great to see you posting bro i hope your well Smile The more people that an chip in and pull together on projects like this the better cheers

Quick question Bill sent me -

""should the Lili Ledy Stormtrooper with filled in peg hole be added as a variant in the TIG Interactive and "Tough to Identify Lili Ledy" thread" ""

- I'm not a loose expert so i leave this question in your good hands.

Bill also raised the possibility of making this thread a sticky im more than happy to do that if people feel its worth it.

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Mar 05, 2011 10:55 am

The Stormtrooper should only be added as a variant if his Datestamp differs to Variant 1+2's Datestamp in my opinion, Ledy are well known for poor quality control.
What do you guys think?

Yes i would make this a sticky Jay, its going to be used a lot and is an important thread Smile


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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:36 am

If you make it a sticky maybe create a section for "vintage star wars guides" Javis potential PBP guide in there - Shawns mailer guide, Marcos thread etc - I think we all miss stuff in the reference section.

BTW- if the ledy guide is back up and running - why not put a link to this thread on the guide page- ?
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:42 am

Right now the thread gets bumped up often but for me it is one of the the most important collecting resources going and seems much more than a thread.

When I first saw a filled in peghole Ledy Stormtrooper I thought it was just a one time error figure but there seems to be a few them out there. Also is it always the right leg peg hole filled?



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