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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:43 pm

@mike-skywalker wrote:
Can´t believe it. During writing a post Marco throws out the next figure guide.
Could you make any defference out between the PBP and LL Ben Kenobi?
Hi Mirco,
I had both in hands and i couldnt see any major differences
cheers
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:56 pm

So they are completely equal.
The only way is to tell where the figure is from.

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:10 pm


Bib Fortuna


COO guide for Bib Fortuna: No. 3 is shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner.
EDIT: From the discussions further on in this thread it became clear that besides no. 3 also no. 2 is shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner (see further below this post).



Bib Fortuna: Lili Ledy on the right


Bib Fortuna: Lili Ledy on the right


Bib Fortuna: Lili Ledy on the right


Bib Fortuna: Lili Ledy on the right


Bib Fortuna: Lili Ledy on the right


Bib Fortuna: Lili Ledy on the right


Bib Fortuna: Lili Ledy on the right


Bib Fortuna: Lili Ledy on the right


Bib Fortuna: Lili Ledy on the right


DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy Bib Fortuna has:
- a darker skin colour (face and tentacles)
- a body which is cast in a darker greenish blue plastic
- lighter pink eyes and mouth


LEDY VARIATIONS:
  • Bib Fortuna wearing a burgundy instead of green cape (pics will follow).

  • There exist four slightly different COOs for the Ledy Bib Fortuna.


    COO no. 2

    2A LEFT LEG: "(c) LFL 83" positioned further to the left / RIGHT LEG: "HONG KONG" with big "O" of "KONG"
    2B LEFT LEG: "(c) LFL 83" positioned further to the left / RIGHT LEG: "HONG KONG" with normal "O" of "KONG"

    COO no. 2A (left) and 2B (right)



    COO no. 3

    3A LEFT LEG: "(c) LFL 83" positioned further to the right / RIGHT LEG: "HONG KONG" with big "O" of "KONG"
    3B LEFT LEG: "(c) LFL 83" positioned further to the right / RIGHT LEG: "HONG KONG" with normal "O" of "KONG"

    COO no. 3A (left) and 3B (right)


    Kudos for Scot (snaggletooth) for providing these pics. Very Happy



ACCESSORIES
  • The Ledy Bib Fortuna wears a cape which is made from a totally different material compared to the Kenner cape. The cape can be green or burgundy (rare!).



  • The Ledy Bib carries a dark grey staff and chest plate having the same mould as their lighter grey Kenner counterparts.








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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:47 pm

@mike-skywalker wrote:
unbelievable.
Ozio....you are from Mexico. Anything to add?

I don't have PBP figs to compare to my LL's... Sad
But i take Javi's word, i think this also happens with PBP-LL C3PO
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:48 pm

Again... Great job Marco cheers cheers cheers
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:04 pm


Boba Fett


COO guide for Boba Fett: No. 5 is unique for Lili Ledy


NOTE: The Ledy Boba Fett has an unique COO (no. 5). In the pics below a comparison is made with a Kenner figure having COO no. 2 (Made in Hong Kong).


Boba Fett: Lili Ledy on the right


Boba Fett: Lili Ledy on the right


Boba Fett: Lili Ledy on the right


Boba Fett: Lili Ledy on the right



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy Boba Fett has:
- a darker violet body colour
- glossy instead of matt red wrist armour (right arm). The same paint is applied on the helmet.
- glossy instead of matt yellow armour (knees, shoulder, wrist of left arm)
- glossy instead of matt purple paint applied on the the rocket launcher
- darker green armour chest plates
- lighter brown belt and side pockets
- bit lighter red rocket


LEDY VARIATIONS:
  • Ledy Boba Fett with split scar (similar as COO no. 4)

  • Ledy Boba Fett with non sonic welded removable rocket.

    An original LL Removable Rocket must have:
    -Clean rocket hole, no stress marks, not red residues from rocket, no melt marks from welding process, even if the rocket was inserted and taken out a lot of times those characteristics are not present on an original LL RR Boba Fett.
    -Clean rocket with no blue residues at all, no melt marks and no missing parts.

    Below is a link to Ozio's special report where you can read everything you always wanted to know about the Removable Rocke Boba fett.

    OZIO's Special Report: Lili Ledy Removable Rocket Boba Fett





ACCESSORIES
The Ledy Boba Fett wears a solid blue or black imperial blaster having a different mould (V6 or V7) compared to the Kenner blasters.







Lili Ledy solid blue and solid black imperial blasters. Top row: V7 mould. Bottom row: V6 mould. (Pic provided by Ozio).




Four bad asses in a row: Taiwan, Hong Kong, Ledy, Trilogo




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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:17 am


Darth Vader


COO guide for Darth Vader


NOTE:
  • The Ledy Darth Vader has a COO not yet listed in the COO guide. It is similar to COO no. 11 but here the "H" of Hong Kong is left aligned with the "M" of "G.M.F.G.I. 1977. In addition "Hong Kong" is clearly and fully visisble (though difficult to see on the pics below).
  • The COO guide seems to link COO no. 8 to the Ledy Vader but with a question mark.
  • In the pics below a comparison is made with a Palitoy figure having COO no. 8 (thx Jay!).



Darth Vader: Lili Ledy on the right


Darth Vader: Lili Ledy on the right


Darth Vader: Lili Ledy on the right


Darth Vader: Lili Ledy on the right


Darth Vader: Lili Ledy on the right


Darth Vader: Lili Ledy on the right


Darth Vader: Lili Ledy on the right



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Palitoy counterpart, the Ledy Darth Vader has:
- different sculpt details:
  • left hand
  • right hand
  • chest plate (also different painting here)
  • belt (also different painting here)
  • head (protruding left mouth corner)

- a glossy black body, you can easily see this when observing the very shiny boots




ACCESSORIES
  • The Ledy Vader came with a vinyl cape which differs from a Kenner cape in the following ways:
    - 'smooth' feeling as it is made from more flexible vinyl. (Note that the Palitoy cape is also more flexible compared to a Kenner cape, but the feeling is different, more leather like.)
    - absence of the typical 'zipping' sound when you scrape your finger against any side of the cape. (Note this is also the case for the Palitoy cape)
    - the cape is shorter in length and the bigger sized arm holes are positioned a bit lower when compared to the Palitoy cape in the pic below. I didn't check this for the Kenner cape. Anyone?)



  • The Ledy Vader holds a red light saber which has a thicker tip compared to the Kenner saber.







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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:33 am

Holy crap Marco, amazing work!
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:43 am

I was gone for 2 day's,and wow Marco you'v been busy.
Great work all in all, your realy getting the Ledy info goin in top gear,Kudos my friend. Very Happy
Dan. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:23 pm


Great work Marco!!! .....
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:41 pm

Very nice work, i can see a book on the horizon!

Is it just me or do the Ledy figures seem to be a lot sharper with slightly more detail.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:14 pm


JAWA


COO guide for Jawa: COO no. 8 is shared by Ledy and Kenner.



Jawa: Lili Ledy on the right


Jawa: Lili Ledy on the right


Jawa: Lili Ledy on the right


Jawa: Lili Ledy on the right


Jawa: Lili Ledy on the right


Jawa: Lili Ledy on the right


Jawa: Lili Ledy on the right


Jawa: Lili Ledy on the right


Jawa: Lili Ledy on the right



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy Jawa has:
- a cape made from a totally different fabric
- a removable hood
- a lighter brown body
- paler yellow and almond shaped eyes
- a grey instead of brown bandolier


LEDY VARIANTS:
The colour of the bandoliers can vary in different Jawa variants: dark brown, reddish brown and grey.

Jawa: Different colours of the Jawa bandoliers: dark brown, reddish brown and grey. Picture kindly provided by Ozio.


ACCESSORIES
The Ledy Jawa carries a black pilot blaster which has a different mould compared to its Kenner counterpart. The Ledy pilot blaster can have a little "I" or "L".




FAKE CAPES AND HOODS
(Pics and Text by Ozio)




Original on the middle. The left cape is a dark repro version. The right cape is a repro as well which recently showed up.


New repro fabric for LL Jawa on the right, the colour is close to the original, but the fabric grid is smaller and it feels thinner compared to the original.


Original on the middle:


Color of the new material (on the right) it's a bit darker, and has a smaller grid texture.


Originals on the middle (top = normal version, bottom = version with dark stitches), dark repro on the left, new repro on the right.


“EL regreso del Jawa”





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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Apr 24, 2011 2:58 pm


Han Solo Bespin


COO guide for Han Solo Bespin: COO no. 4 is shared by Ledy and Kenner. In addition COO no. 3 is also shared (not yet indicated in the COO guide)


NOTE:
There exist two different COO versions for the Ledy Han Bespin.

* COO no. 4: no COO, shared by Ledy and Kenner
* COO no. 3: Made in Hong Kong, shared by Ledy and Kenner

COO no. 4:

Han Solo Bespin COO no. 4: Lili Ledy on the right


Han Solo Bespin COO no. 4: Lili Ledy on the right


Han Solo Bespin COO no. 4: Lili Ledy on the right


Han Solo Bespin COO no. 4: Lili Ledy on the right


Han Solo Bespin COO no. 4: Lili Ledy on the right



DIFFERENCES (COO NO. 4):
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy Han Bespin COO no. 4 has:
- darker brown hair. In addition the hair covers the ears which is not the case for the Kenner figure.
- paler skin tone
- darker eyes and eyebrows
- darker brown pants with paler yellow stripes on the sides
- darker blue jacket


COO no. 3:


Han Solo Bespin COO no. 3: Lili Ledy on the right


Han Solo Bespin COO no. 3: Lili Ledy on the right


Han Solo Bespin COO no. 3: Lili Ledy on the right


Han Solo Bespin COO no. 3: Lili Ledy on the right


Han Solo Bespin COO no. 3: Lili Ledy on the right



DIFFERENCES (COO NO. 3):
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy Han Bespin COO no. 3 has:
- darker brown hair. In addition the hair covers the ears which is not the case for the Kenner figure.
- paler skin tone
- darker eyes and eyebrows
- darker brown pants


Comparison of Han Bespin Ledy variants: Left and middle figure = COO no.4, Right figure = COO no. 3.


Comparison of Han Bespin Ledy variants: Left and middle figure = COO no.4, Right figure = COO no. 3.


COMPARISON COO NO. 1 AND 3 LEDY FIGURES:
Compared to COO no. 4, the COO variant no. 3 has:
- lighter brown pants
- different sculpt details, for instance size of the buckle, folds in the pockets. These differences are sculpt specific as the Kenner figures share the exact same differences.


OTHER VARIANTS:

The COO 3 variant can come with the front and back buckle being painted white. Probably this is a factory error which passed through Lili Ledy's quality control. Or a different spay mask was used, in which case it is a genuine variant, as suggested on Wolff's site.

Ledy Han Solo Bespin COO no. 3: Left = Variant error (both front and back buckle painted), Right = Normal (only front buckle painted)


Ledy Han Solo Bespin COO no. 3: Left = Variant error (both front and back buckle painted), Right = Normal (only front buckle painted)


ACCESSORIES
The Ledy Han Bespin carries a blue Bespin blaster having the V1 mould.






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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:07 pm


Leia Bespin

COO guide for Leia Bespin: COO no. 4 is shared by Ledy and Kenner.



Leia Bespin: Lili Ledy on the right


Leia Bespin: Lili Ledy on the right


Leia Bespin: Lili Ledy on the right


Leia Bespin: Lili Ledy on the right


Leia Bespin: Lili Ledy on the right


Leia Bespin: Lili Ledy on the right


Leia Bespin: Lili Ledy on the right




DIFFERENCES:
Compared to her Kenner counterpart, the Ledy Leia Bespin has:
- darker brown hair
- hair partially covering the ears
- black instead of brown eyes and eyebrows
- deeper red lips
- more pinkish skin (face, hand, and feet)


ACCESSORIES
  • The Ledy Leia Bespin came with a vinyl cape which differs from a Kenner cape in the following ways:
    - 'smooth' feeling as it is made from more flexible vinyl
    - absence of the typical 'zipping' sound when you scrape your finger against any side of the cape.
    - shorter in length
    - smaller sized armholes
    - different details of the line art




  • The Ledy Leia Bespin carries a blue princess blaster. I have a hard time seeing the differences with a Kenner blaster. Who can help here?







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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:59 pm


Lando Calrissian


COO guide for Lando: COO no. 4 is shared by Ledy and Kenner.



Lando Calrissian: Lili Ledy on the right


Lando Calrissian: Lili Ledy on the right


Lando Calrissian: Lili Ledy on the right


Lando Calrissian: Lili Ledy on the right


Lando Calrissian: Lili Ledy on the right


Lando Calrissian: Lili Ledy on the right


Lando Calrissian: Lili Ledy on the right



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy Lando Calrissian has:
- darker brown skin: face
- ligher brown skin: hands and neck
- glossy instead of matt hair
- no white pupils
- different blue shirt
- lighter blue pants


ACCESSORIES
  • The Ledy Lando Calrissian came with a vinyl cape which differs from a Kenner cape in the following ways:
    - 'smooth' feeling as it is made from more flexible vinyl
    - absence of the typical 'zipping' sound when you scrape your finger against any side of the cape.
    - shorter in length




  • The Ledy Lando carries a blue or grey Bespin blaster having the V1 mould. Was Lando also released with a grey V5 mould gun?







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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:43 pm


Imperial Commander


COO guide for Imperial Commander: COO no. 4 is shared by Ledy and Kenner.


NOTE:
Unfortunately I could not make comparison pics with a Kenner figure sharing COO no. 4 as I don't have this figure in my collection. Pics were therefore taken with COO no. 1, which can be regarded the 'ancestor' of COO no. 4.

Imperial Commander: Lili Ledy on the right


Imperial Commander: Lili Ledy on the right


Imperial Commander: Lili Ledy on the right


Imperial Commander: Lili Ledy on the right


Imperial Commander: Lili Ledy on the right



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to the Kenner figure with COO #1, the Ledy Imperial Commander has:
- a slightly tanned face
- light brown instead of dark brown eyes and eyebrows
- lighter brown hair which is longer at the back
- a curved left thumb. REMARK: keep in mind that the Kenner figure with COO #4 also has this curved thumb, as the same steel moulds were used by Kenner and Lili Ledy for this figure. See AJ's pic on page 3 of this thread, where a comparison is made with Kenner figures having the exact same COO (#4) as the Ledy figure.


ACCESSORIES
The Ledy Imperial Commander wears a solid black imperial blaster having a different mould (V6 or V7) compared to the Kenner blasters.
Was the Imperial Commander also packaged with a blue blaster?







Lili Ledy solid blue and solid black imperial blasters. Top row: V7 mould. Bottom row: V6 mould. (Pic provided by Ozio).









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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:28 pm


Star Destroyer Commander


COO guide for Star Destroyer Commander: COO no. 7 is shared by Ledy and Kenner.


NOTE:
Unfortunately I could not make comparison pics with a Kenner figure sharing COO no. 7 as I don't have this figure in my collection. Pics were therefore taken with COO no. 1, which can be regarded the 'ancestor' of COO no. 7.

Star Destroyer Commander: Lili Ledy on the right


Star Destroyer Commander: Lili Ledy on the right


Star Destroyer Commander: Lili Ledy on the right


Star Destroyer Commander: Lili Ledy on the right


Star Destroyer Commander: Lili Ledy on the right



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy Star Destroyer Commander has:
- a slightly tanned face
- black instead of brown eyes and eyebrows. The eyebrows are thicker too.
- darker grey suit
- a glossy instead of matt black helmet
- NO silver wrist button (see the comparison pics below, two out of two Ledy figures lack these silver wrist buttons, so this seems to be a Ledy trait)

Star Destroyer Commander: Kenner on the left, Lili Ledy in the middle and on the right.


Star Destroyer Commander: Kenner on the left, Lili Ledy in the middle and on the right. Note the lack of the wrist buttons for the Ledy figures.


ACCESSORIES
The Ledy Star Destroyer Commander wears a solid black imperial blaster having a different mould (V6 or V7) compared to the Kenner blasters.








Lili Ledy solid blue and solid black imperial blasters. Top row: V7 mould. Bottom row: V6 mould. (Pic provided by Ozio).








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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:52 am




  1. The last 2 days new entries were posted for the following figures:
    - AT-ST driver
    - B-Wing Pilot
    - Ben Kenobi
    - Bib Fortuna
    - Boba Fett
    - Darth Vader
    - Han Solo Bespin
    - Imperial Commander
    - Lando Bespin
    - Leia Bespin
    - Star Destroyer Commander

    Please feel free to comment or add extra information which can be used to fuel the TIG Lili Ledy guide at a later moment. http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/TIG-Ledy-Guide-Homepage-h8.htm

    A few questions are highlighted in green.
    BTW: Many thanks guys, for your compliments in your last posts, I appreciate them very much! Very Happy

  2. The entries for Ree Yees and C-3PO have been updated with new variants.

  3. The table of contents on page 1 has been updated.

    Cheers





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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:03 am

@Dr Dengar wrote:

Unfortunately I could not make comparison pics with a Kenner figure sharing COO no. 4 as I don't have this figure in my collection.



these are Kenner brown & more red hair versions with Ledy in the middle. Note the curled left thumb, this is NOT exclusive to Ledy.
For me the telltale sign is the hair length on the back of his head & the face skin colour (less pink) Which seems to be a plastic colour used by Ledy on a few figures - Leia Boushh comes to mind.


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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:02 am

Your a monster! This is a fantastic guide.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat May 07, 2011 12:01 pm


Imperial Stormtrooper Hoth Battle Gear (Snowtrooper)


COO guide for Snowtrooper: COO no. 1 is shared by Ledy and Kenner??


NOTE:
Ok, Ok , before you start flaming me Very Happy, let me tell you that I am aware that Lili Ledy never produced the Snowtrooper figure. The only Hoth figure ever released by Lili Ledy was Rebel Commander. So why making an entry for Snowtrooper in a Ledy thread??? Let me try to explain:

Lately I have bought some Ledy figures from a friendly Mexican guy. He told me that all the figures originated from his childhood collection. They were all genuine Ledy and very minty (at least for Ledy Very Happy). Yes I was very happy with these figures. In addition he gave me some interesting background information for some of his figures, information which was very likely to be true based upon the feedback from some of our Mexican Ledy collectors here on TIG (thx Ozio and Carlos!). He told me for instance that his childhood green cape Luke Jedi came with Madine’s staff instead of a light saber. And in fact from what I understood there are more Mexicans remembering that their Luke Jedi came with a strange white light saber (see the pics in Luke Jedi's entry on page 7 of this thread).

The Mexican seller also told me that his blonde LL Luke Bespin came with Kenner instead of Ledy accessories. This was later confirmed. The blonde LL Luke Bespin was released in LL ROTJ cards during the earlier runs, 12 back and maybe 14 back. He has exactly the same COO as his PBP brother and came with Kenner accessories including a blue Han Solo blaster and a yellow PBP lightsaber. The brown hair Ledy Luke Bespin was released later on 30 back cards and came with Ledy accessories (blue Ledy Bespin gun and yellow Ledy saber).

So it seems that the background stories from this Mexican seller may seem odd at the beginning, but in the end they seem to be true. Maybe this also applies for the next story:
When watching pics from his childhood collection I noticed a Snowtrooper. Lili Ledy never produced a Snowtrooper, so this seemed odd, and I mailed him:

"What about the Imperial Stormtrooper (Snowtrooper). He was never released by LL, was he?"
He answered: "Yes, but it was in the ESB wave. I'm not sure if those were made in Mexico or were recarded from the Kenner ones."

His answer almost stroke me down, could it be that this Snowtrooper was one of the few figures which were released on the early Empire Strikes Back (Imperio Contraataca) 10-backs? Around 1982 Lili Ledy did not produce any Star Wars figures but the company was interested to do so seeing the success of the 3 3/4” line abroad. To make a balanced decision, Lili Ledy first tested the potential of the local Mexican market, basically to get an idea to what extent Mexican kids would be appealed by Star wars figures and ask their parents to (re)buy them. Thereto ten Kenner figures were released on Ledy ESB cards, all showing the beautiful art work of a Millennium falcon being escorted by a squadron of X-Wing fighters. At the back of the card there were line drawings of the 10 figures which – typical for the later Leyy cards - were printed directly on the cardboard. I assume the market test was successful and Ledy started to produce their own figures from 1983 till 1985. You can read more about this subject on SWCA.

Lili Ledy ESB 10-back. Front. (Picture from SWCA)


Lili Ledy ESB 10-back. Back. (Picture from SWCA)



The Mexican seller remembered that his Snowtrooper was indeed pulled off from an Imperio Contraataca card, unfortunately he didn’t have the card anymore. Sad He let me have the figure for the (cheap!) price of a Kenner figure. Off course without the original card, this Snowtrooper was basically just a regular Kenner figure, only the background story made this figure so very interesting to me.

Off course I don’t have any proof but what do you think guys: Could this indeed be a Kenner figure which was once released on a Lili Ledy 10-back ESB card. Maybe the COO stamp tells us something? Or is this story just to good to be true. A hoax set up by Dan to get his sweet revenge after I messed up with the black Wampa? Very Happy
Tell me what you think about it pls


Ledy Snowtrooper?



Ledy Snowtrooper?


Ledy Snowtrooper?


Ledy Snowtrooper?


Ledy Snowtrooper?


(Snowtroopers at 6:00)

EDIT: Summary based upon the next posts:
@Dr Dengar wrote:

I agree, there is no way to prove that this Snowtrooper was once pulled from a Ledy Imperio Contraataca card. I fully rely on one Mexican source claiming he had this figure bought on such a card when he was a child. The source seems reliable based upon two other claims (presented in the previous post) which seemed unusual at first glance but seemed to be sound in the end. Besides the seller had no real motif to lie about this. In the end he let me have his snowtrooper for only a few $ - a normal price for a mint snowtrooper - which was peanuts compared to the total deal. Off course still no solid evidence, merely a strong indication that this snowtrooper came from a Ledy card.

Let me summarize, I tend to belief the background story for this particular snowtrooper. Though he has a low price (once pulled from the card he became just a regular Kenner snowie), to me he has value for sure.

.... unless we believe Alejandro Becerra, LL Quality Control Director (1981 to 1985), the man to whom we own so much Ledy variations today Very Happy

'The 10 figures from the ESB LL line where fully produced in Mexico, molds where imported from kenner's factories on Asia'




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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat May 07, 2011 12:59 pm

Nice work Marco, i'll like to add this:
There are two interviews with 2 LL ex-employess, and this is what they said about the 10 figures from the LL ESB line:

Alejandro Becerra, LL Quality Control Director (1981 to 1985)
'The 10 figures from the ESB LL line where fully produced in Mexico, molds where imported from kenner's factories on Asia'

Celia Flores Jimenez, LL Color line Supervisor (1966-1985)
'Nothing came from outside, we manufactured absolutely all, clothes, accesories, guns.


Magazine cover for Alejandro's interview

Alejandro's interview by Julio Moreno, Josefina and Luis Galvez


magazine cover for Celia's interview

Celia's interview by Luis Villagomez

More pics here:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1824552449480.106540.1110304487&l=5b9f9f4d6a

According to this 2 Ex-Employees, the 10 figures from the LL ESB line (Luke Bespin, Snowtrooper, Rebel Commander, Han Hoth, Bespin Leia, Vader, Chewbacca, C3PO, R2D2 and Yoda) are 100% made in Mexico, So that Snowtrooper you have was probably made in Mexico m8.

Hope this info helps.

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat May 07, 2011 1:57 pm

Great detective work Marco and a great story to go with your new snowtrooper. I never knew about the Ledy making the other 3 ESB figs. Great info mate, thanks for sharing.

I don't Know how common that COO is either, I've not come across one yet.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat May 07, 2011 5:22 pm

Thats an intresting story. Never seen that ESB card back before, its amazing looking. jawdrop
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Mon May 09, 2011 4:56 pm

I found some more information about the figures which were released on Ledy Imperio Contraataca cards in a RS thread from 2009. The information was provided by llseeker (Carlos) at that time.

The ESB LL figures were not produced in Mexico. They were regular Kenner figures on LL cards. I bought some of them in the childhood days. Never kept the cards, though.... kids....

Here are the figures and their features:
  • Chewbacca
  • Han hoth (pink face)
  • Yoda (orange snake)
  • C3PO (with rivet on back)
  • R2D2 (with cross-head screw)


All are HK coo figs and there is nothing special about them variant-wise. Once out of the cards they are average figures. As far as I know, all 10 figures were released for a very short time, in fact some LL employees regard them as "test market" figures.

Finding one carded is just impossible. As far as I know, no one has ever found an original one carded.



Interesting...






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