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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:46 pm

@Hutthunter wrote:

I have an original LL vibroblade with NO letter on it (NO A, NO B)! It is with my AFA 85 Klaatu (not the skiff guard, but the one with the furry skirt)!

@Dr Dengar wrote:


- , there is also a dark grey Ledy vibroblade without a small "A" or "B". I have just changed the entries of Klaatu (2x), Weequay, and Lando Skiff accordingly (see pic below).






Dark grey ledy vibroblade without a small A or B .
First vibroblade on the left



I have noticed the LL blade it self and the top of the vibroblade are thicker than the kenner version.
Left four are ledy's and the other four are kenner.
The first vibroblade one the left is LL without a letter.



Left LEDY, right kenner


Ledy vibroblade without a letter is dark grey and the blade and top are also thicker than the kenner version
and maybe someone can confirm this
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:51 pm

I have also one Ledy without letter! So yes...its indeed Ledy!
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:59 pm

Good research Starwizz! cheers cheers cheers

I have never noticed before that the Ledy vibroblade (V4 mould) has a thicker blade and top compared to Kenner.


Thanks for sharing!!

I will add this info to the entries.

EDIT: updated!




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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:20 pm

I have noticed the LL blade it self and the top of the vibroblade are thicker than the kenner version.
Left four are ledy's and the other four are kenner.
The first vibroblade one the left is LL without a letter.

Ledy vibroblade without a letter is dark grey and the blade and top are also thicker than the kenner version
and maybe someone can confirm this
- written by Starwizz

I thought it is already known... Very Happy But yes, I can confirm that: LL vibroblade is not only much darker, but also the 'headpart' of it
is much thicker, also the blade. cheers
Also, thanks for confirming my info on the LL blade with no letter on it. pirat IMO the main difference between a Trilogo, or newer Kenner vibroblade and a LL vibroblade is the thickness of the blade. Because the newer blade is also darker, but has a thin blade. The bottom parts are the same, but differ from the original or 'classic' light grey vibroblade.

May the 4th be with You! lol!


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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:59 pm

@wbobafett wrote:
I have also one Ledy without letter! So yes...its indeed Ledy!

THX wbobafett for the conformation Very Happy

@Dr Dengar wrote:
Good research Starwizz! cheers cheers cheers

I have never noticed before that the Ledy vibroblade (V4 mould) has a thicker blade and top compared to Kenner.

Thanks for sharing!!

I will add this info to the entries.


THX. for the kind words Marco


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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:26 pm

@starwizz wrote:
@wbobafett wrote:
I have also one Ledy without letter! So yes...its indeed Ledy!

THX wbobafett for the conformation Very Happy


THX.Marco for the kind words

Yes, good work indeed.
Just a brief addition to Starwizz's research:

Comparison of the three available variants by blade thickness







I have just now realized, that the LL vibroblade is actually much darker even than Version 2 (what I have seen on Trilogo and Kenner Canada cards). In terms of blade thickness there is a nice row. Smile Because Version 2 is thicker than Version 1 (classic), but LEDY blade is thicker than Version 2. (Version 2 is a bit worn) affraid


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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:01 pm


**************************************** BREAKING NEWS *************************************************

  1. To access and discuss the different figures in an easier way, hyperlinks were made for all entries in this thread (on page 1).

    http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t2135-lili-ledy-discussion-thread


  2. Next figure will be Cloud Car Pilot


**************************************** BREAKING NEWS *************************************************
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:15 am

@Dr Dengar wrote:


To access and discuss the different figures in an easier way, hyperlinks were made for all entries in this thread (on page 1).

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t2135-lili-ledy-discussion-thread



Excellent news! Thanks, Marco...
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:16 am

Sounds Great Marco, thanks Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:05 am

hi every body

i have found on the helmet of logray,
kenner helmet it's write 175080 04
LL helmet it's write 175080
and the helmet found , no writing

do you think it's a ledy??
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:28 pm


All my three Ledy Logray hoods have "175080" inside, but off course that doesn't mean there weren't any Ledy hoods w/o numbers.

How about the other typical Ledy hood features (glossy paint, glossy plastic, rubbery)? Do they match with yours?


Logray

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:24 pm

thanks for your answer

glossy white paint, yes
glossy black plastic , yes
rubbery yes
no number,


it's strange Wink
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:02 pm



The inner surface of your hood looks very rough to me, more like an artefact than factory made. Maybe that is the reason the numbers are not visible anymore.

Can you still see traces of numbers on the positions where they should be?



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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:57 am


8D8



COO guide for 8D8: No. 2 is unique for Lili Ledy.


NOTE:

  • The Ledy 8D8 has an unique COO (no. 2). It differs only from COO no.1 in its details as Lili Ledy casted 8D8's torso in harder plastic. In the pics below a comparison is made with a Kenner 8D8 having COO no. 1.



8D8: Lili Ledy on the right


8D8: Lili Ledy on the right


8D8: Lili Ledy on the right


8D8: Lili Ledy on the right


8D8: Lili Ledy on the right


8D8: Lili Ledy on the right



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy 8D8 has:
- a torso which is much more detailed as it is cast in a harder plastic ("hard torso", like the Ledy Stormtrooper, Cloud Car Pilot, and hard torso R2D2 variant)
- darker yellow eyes
- darker brown chest emblems.
- dull instead of shiny metallic grill

REMARK: The brown chest emblems often have unpainted bolts. This is paint wear and not an exclusive Ledy characteristic.





LEDY VARIATIONS


  • Different leg moulds

Like is the case for the Kenner figure, two types of moulds were used for each of the legs by Lili Ledy, with and without circles on the hip.



Source: Rebelscum.com

So variant collectors will be challenged to hunt for all four different possible combinations:
A) Left leg: Circle.         Right leg: Circle
B) Left leg: Circle.         Right leg: No circle
C) Left leg: No circle.     Right leg: Circle
D) Left leg: No circle.     Right leg: No circle

See pics below for Ledy type A and C variants.

Ledy 8D8 leg mould variants: Type C (left), Type A (right)


Ledy 8D8 leg mould variants: Type C (left), Type A (right)


Ledy 8D8 leg mould variants: Type C (left), Type A (right)



Still collecting 4 different variants is still beter than trying to collect all possible Ledy Biker Scouts variants. Very Happy





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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:25 pm

Excellent work Marco! cheers cheers cheers cheers
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Oct 16, 2011 1:38 pm

@Dr Dengar wrote:



Lili Ledy 8D8 Variants: Orange hair (left) and standard no hair version (right).



Shocked Shocked Shocked :cool laugh: :cool laugh: :cool laugh:

Brings back my memories of "senor Joe" Razz

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:37 pm


Cloud Car Pilot




COO guide for Cloud Car Pilot: No. 5 is shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner/Palitoy.


NOTE:
  • There exist two COOs for the Ledy Cloud Car Pilot. They differ in the relative position of '© L.F.L. 1981' and the main fold on the right leg. The spacing can be smaller (COO no. 5 in the COO guide) or slightly bigger. In the pics below the Ledy Cloud Car Plilot has a COO with the smaller spacing. A comparison is made with a Palitoy Pilot having the bigger spacing (COO no. 5).
  • Kudos to Scott (Snaggletooth) for making these pics. Very Happy



Cloud Car Pilot: Palitoy (left), Lili Ledy (right)


Cloud Car Pilot: Palitoy (left), Lili Ledy (right)


Cloud Car Pilot: Palitoy (left), Lili Ledy (right)


Cloud Car Pilot: Palitoy (left), Lili Ledy (right)


Cloud Car Pilot: Palitoy (left), Lili Ledy (right)


Cloud Car Pilot: Palitoy (left), Lili Ledy (right)



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Palitoy counterpart, the Ledy Cloud Car Pilot has:
- Darker yellow boot and gloves
- Lighter grey belt, pouch, holster and circle on his chest
- A body which is cast in a more detailed harder plastic ('hard torso', comparable to the plastic used for the Ledy Stormtrooper, 8D8, and hard torso R2D2 variant)


ACCESSORIES
The Ledy Cloud Car Pilot came with:
- a dark grey pilot blaster having a different mould (V9) not yet described on TIG's reference site.
- a dark grey com link having the V2 mould.






Overview of grey pilot blasters and com links. Ledy gun and com link on the right. (pic provided by Wolff)


Further reading on the different types of pilot blasters and com links:

http://www.imperialgunnery.com/pilotblasters.htm

http://www.imperialgunnery.com/otheraccessories.htm



REMARK: The unique Ledy V3 'nipple' mould com link in the reference guide is probably a V2 artefact. Accordingly the V3 com link was produced by removing it too early from the V2 mould after casting. Because the plastic was not hardened enough it was deformed ("nippled") because of the used physical forces. LL's Quality control didn't matter and so that's how we ended up with the V3 com links, which actually are V2 com links. Other examples to support this theory are the deformed COOs of the Ledy Yoda and Gam Guard which you see sometimes.

REMARK: We can not exclude the possibility that the unique V9 mould of the Ledy gun is an artefact. Accordingly the V9 gun was produced by removing it too early from the V2 mould after casting, causing the rounded tip and the very short scope point.
Proof for more severe deformations happening during the production process is given below (pictures provided by Ozio).

Ledy Cloud Car Pilot guns. Top gun is deformed (trigger hole).


Ledy Cloud Car Pilot guns. Right gun is deformed (trigger hole).




LEDY VARIATIONS

  • Paint Variations:

There are three paint variations for the CCP:
A) Grey belt, pouch, holster, and chest circle. Dark yellow boots and gloves. (type A was used in the comparison pics with the Palitoy CCP, shown above)
B) Dark (metallic) grey belt, pouch, holster, and chest circle. Darker yellow boots and gloves compared to type A.
C) Combination of A and B

Ledy Cloud Car Pilot Paint Variations: Type A (left), Type B (right)


Ledy Cloud Car Pilot Paint Variations: Type A (left), Type B (right)


Ledy Cloud Car Pilot Paint Variations: Type A (left), Type B (right)


Ledy Cloud Car Pilot Paint Variations: Type A (left), Type B (right)


Ledy Cloud Car Pilot Paint Variations: Type C.

Source: Ozio


  • COO Variations:


The Ledy Cloud Car Pliot came at least with two slightly different COOs. They differ in the relative position of '© L.F.L. 1981' and the main fold on the right leg. Kudos to Ozio for providing these pics. Very Happy

-COO Variation #A: Smaller space between '© 'L.F.L. 1981' and the main fold. This is COO no. 5 in the COO guide.
-COO Variation #B: Bigger space between '© 'L.F.L. 1981' and the main fold.


Ledy Cloud Car Pilot COO Variation #A. Smaller space between '© 'L.F.L. 1981' and the main fold. This is COO no. 5 in the COO guide.


Ledy Cloud Car Pilot COO Variation #B. Bigger space between '© 'L.F.L. 1981' and the main fold.


Ledy Cloud Car Pilot COO Variations #A (top= COO no. 5) and #B (bottom).


NOTE: The paint variations A and B (shown further above under 'paint variations') correspond to respectively COO #A and #B. This is NOT a consistent linkage however.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:33 am

Great additions again Marco mate, Have you spoke to some one who knows for sure that my CCP is the Palitoy variant?
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:21 am

these small differneces on coo can always happen, because there is ALWAYS not only one steel-mold in production. You theorie of the color variants linked to the type of coo is for 100% not true IMO. Ill check later, but Im pretty sure that this is not possible. Both steelmolds were used to produce the LL CCP. The color variants appear while producing: there has happend a change of color at some point. Your "type c" figure is a figure from the time period the change happend.

The both coos corresponding to one color version would mean that from the beginning till the end both colored version were produced at the same time in the same factory with only very less figures known where the parts got mixed!!???? This is impossible, unlogical and for sure not the case Wink

Ill go check mine now.....just to get all peepz in here staisfied!


I totally agree on the "nippled" comlink. I also agree on the mold from the LL blaster, but i thought a kenner pendant is existing and I did make a picture for the TIG site.....strange...Ill check again.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:31 am

I have 3 CCPs:

grey on coo A

and grey and metallic on coo B


BTW: on your both coo pics the belt looks grey...not one looks metallic from these unsure
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:39 am

Hey Scot, I am not sure whether your CCP figure is Palitoy, the assumption was solely based on the feedback earlier in the threads.

Wolff, thanks for your feedback, highly appreciated!!!

The linkage between the COO and paint scheme for the Ledy CCP is just a wild theory, I don't even think it holds, but it would be nice to check this to be sure. So please proof this theory wrong. Very Happy

EDIT: While posting I saw you already proofed the theory wrong. Well done, some good research job here!!!

CCP gun: It could be off course that the ‘new’ V9 mould is in fact a deformed V2 mould with a rounded tip and reduced scope point. But I don't think so because I have two dark grey Ledy guns looking exactly the same strengthening my belief this is indeed a specific mould (V9), and it is nice that you agree on this.
It would be interesting whether there would be a Kenner V9 counterpart as well. I won't be surprised, but please let it be light grey, so easy to distinguish. No more Ackbar and Boush Ledy accessories which are tough to identify. Very Happy.


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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:37 pm

@Dr Dengar wrote:
Hey Scot, I am not sure whether your CCP figure is Palitoy, the assumption was solely based on the feedback earlier in the threads.


Thanks for your reply Marco

@wbobafett wrote:
I have 3 CCPs:

grey on coo A

and grey and metallic on coo B


Is that grey and metallic mixed figure or one of each that share COO B?

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:13 am

i would say your blaster is a bit deformed like the nippled comlink! IMO the LL blaster is the same as V2 or V1. Ill have to check it to be sure!

IMO there is also to much blasters in this section V6, V7...arent they the same?? The "circles" are injection points and there is no mold difference in this if they are just indented or not scratch

BTT: Ill check later but for now I would say LL is mold V1
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:56 pm

Great work again Dr.D

8D8 variants No No No head bang

So there are 5 variants :cool laugh: :cool laugh: :cool laugh:

@Dr Dengar wrote:

8D8
LEDY VARIATIONS
  • Different leg moulds

Like is the case for the Kenner figure, two types of moulds were used for each of the legs by Lili Ledy, with and without circles on the hip.

Source: Rebelscum.com

So variant collectors will be challenged to hunt for all four different possible combinations:
A) Left leg: Circle. Right leg: Circle
B) Left leg: Circle. Right leg: No circle
C) Left leg: No circle. Right leg: Circle
D) Left leg: No circle. Right leg: No circle


Still collecting 4 different variants is still beter than trying to collect all possible Ledy Biker Scouts variants. Very Happy

  • Orange Hair 8D8

There is an interesting and rare variation of the Ledy 8D8 having a striking resemblance with one of our fellow TIG members. Whether this is a true variation or caused by discolouration is still under heavy debate. Very Happy

Lili Ledy 8D8 Variants: Orange hair (left) and standard no hair version (right).

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:26 pm

@starwizz wrote:
Great work again Dr.D

8D8 variants No No No head bang

So there are 5 variants :cool laugh: :cool laugh: :cool laugh:

That's correct, StarWizz!!! Very Happy



@wbobafett wrote:
i would say your blaster is a bit deformed like the nippled comlink! IMO the LL blaster is the same as V2 or V1. Ill have to check it to be sure!


Good input Wolff. Very Happy

Let's focus on the Ledy blaster for the moment.




So there are two possibilities. The dark grey Ledy CCP gun is either
1) cast from a mould not yet described in the TIG guide (V9 mould)
2) cast from a known mould (V1 or V2) but deformed after casting

The only way to test what is the best possible explanation is to check as many Ledy CCP blasters as possible.

So please post a pic of your gun ...oh no...let's rephrase...your Ledy CCP blaster here.

TIG needs your input!!




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