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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:42 pm

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What is the correct weapon for the PBP Tie Pilot and what does it look like?I am thinking about buying one?
I have found The tie PBP with regular kenner weapon and also with a very light gray blaster.


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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:49 pm

@javiswspain wrote:
@vintageSWfan wrote:
What is the correct weapon for the PBP Tie Pilot and what does it look like?I am thinking about buying one?
You can found The tie PBP with regular kenner weapon and also with a very light gray blaster.

correct! Wink
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:19 pm

Awesome Thank you Wolff and Javi for the help. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:57 am


Joe wrote:
I know everyone is doing loose variation guides at the moment and this one is pretty easy to find the information for already but the reason for this small guide is because 8D8 is a relatively cheap Lili Ledy loose figure to pick up should anyone be tempted and the changes can be hard to see even up close.

Here are two nicely taken pictures of a Lili Ledy 8D8 figure compared to a regular one and also a nice shot of the detailing of the back of the figure.

I have also edited them with text to explain the ways to spot a real one.




There can be very minor differences in the paint used for the brown emblem on the figure so unless you can clearly point out all three of the details above its probably not a Ledy, I have two here with different coloured brown paint but neither are Ledy.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:40 pm



LUKE SKYWALKER JEDI KNIGHT



COO guide for Luke Skywalker Jedi Knight: No. 2 is shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner.


Luke Skywalker Jedi Knight: Lili Ledy on the right.


Luke Skywalker Jedi Knight: Lili Ledy on the right.


Luke Skywalker Jedi Knight: Lili Ledy on the right.


Luke Skywalker Jedi Knight: Lili Ledy on the right.


Luke Skywalker Jedi Knight: Lili Ledy on the right.


Luke Skywalker Jedi Knight: Lili Ledy on the right.


DIFFERENCES:

  • The Lili Ledy Luke Jedi has:
    - black instead of brown eyes and eyebrows
    - glossy instead of matt paint on the face
    - lighter brown (more 'blond') hair


NOTE:
The are two COO variations which differ only slightly. The text 'Made in Hong Kong' is shifted a tiny bit towards the bottom in one COO variation compared to the other.

Luke Skywalker Jedi Knight: Different COO variations.


Luke Skywalker Jedi Knight: Different COO variations.


LILI LEDY VARIATIONS:

  • The red cape can differ slightly (see pic below). LL’s poor quality control or just fading?

    Luke Skywalker Jedi Knight: Slightly different red capes.


  • There also exists a green version of the LL cape version.


EDIT: A few weeks ago a Luke Jedi with green cape was listed on ebay together with a Madine staff and black palace blaster. No need to tell that these were not the Luke Jedi accessories I was looking for, it looked suspicious. Besides the Mexican seller had zero feedback. You can imagine I heard the alarm bells all over the place.



I decided to contact the seller nevertheless and asked for additional pictures and some background about this particular figure. The guy responded swiftly, and from the pictures it was clear that the black blaster had the Ledy mould, and the green cape seemed to be made from the same fuzzy material as Luke Jedi’s burgundy cape. He told me that this figure was part of his childhood collection and had come came with these accessories (Madine staff + black gun). It would be consistent with Ledy’s sloppy quality control of which there are many examples: think filled peg holes, Boba with removable Rocket, wrongly welded Jawas, etc. You can imagine I got more and more convinced this might be the real deal indeed.

I did a final check with Ozio. He told me that some people remembered that their childhood Luke Jedi came with a 'strange' white lightsaber. I was totally convinced now. I bought the figure and here he is together with his Mexican brother.

Many thanks to the friendly seller and Ozio!!! I am happy having ignored the red alarms this time!

Ledy variations for Luke Jedi: red cape (left), green cape (right).
Note: The green cape Luke was packaged with Madine's staff instead of his green light saber.



Ledy variations for Luke Jedi: red cape (left), green cape (right).
Note: The green cape Luke was packaged with Madine's staff instead of his green light saber.



ACCESSORIES:

  • The LL Luke Jedi carries a V3 type palace blaster cast in grey/green plastic. Is the brown V3 version also possible for a LL Luke Jedi?

    Overview palace blasters (taken from the TIG guide).


    Palace blasters: Kenner vs Lili Ledy.


    Palace blasters: Kenner vs Lili Ledy.



  • The LL Luke Jedi caries a V1 type light saber cast in green plastic.

    Overview green light sabers (taken from the TIG guide).


    Light saber: Kenner V2 (left), Lili Ledy V1 (right).




You can read much more about the Lili Ledy Luke Jedi in his TIG LL guide entry.




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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:26 pm

HI!, Nice description and pics Marco, I'm adding some pictures of the LL green cape variation for Luke Jedi, this material is also present the Green Cape LL Squid Head.






as you can see here on this pic, LL material is kind of 'furry'.



Cheers

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:33 pm


Fantastic Updates Marco living this thread!! Smile

Ozio awesome pictures bro its great to finally see a proper comparison shot of the Luke Jedi Ledy Green Cape! Smile

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:31 pm

Great job Ozio and Marco.
cheers cheers cheers
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:59 pm

I Can confirm the 2 Luke Jedi versions Wink



cheers on your comparison pic Ozio and Marco...really good Wink
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:23 am


Many thanks for your pics Ozio & Wolff!!!

The green cape is a great variant!

Cheers




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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:33 am

@vintageSWfan wrote:
Great job Ozio and Marco.
cheers cheers cheers

I second that. Thanks for your work and analytical comparisons. king
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:04 am



**************************************** BREAKING NEWS *************************************************

  1. The Ackbar entry has been updated with a few more pics which might be helpfull to identify him (thx Ozio!): Page 1

  2. The Leia Boushh entry has been updated with a figure wearing a LL overstock helmet (thx Chaz!): Page 3

  3. Added a Table of Contents for all the discussed figures. The table will be updated regularly: Page 1

  4. Questions/discussion points throughout the thread are indicated in green: let's hope we get more answers here! bounce


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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:37 pm


C-3PO


COO guide for C-3PO: Both COO no. 5 and COO no. 9 are shared by Ledy and Kenner (not indicated in the COO guide yet)


NOTE:
There exist two different COO versions for the Ledy C-3PO.

  • COO no. 5: 2-lined COO, shared by Ledy and Kenner
  • COO no. 9: 3-lined COO, shared by Ledy and Kenner


2-lined COO:
The comparison pics were made with a Kenner figure having a similar COO (COO no. 2)

C-3PO (2-lined COO): Lili Ledy on the right.


C-3PO (2-lined COO): Lili Ledy on the right.


C-3PO (2-lined COO): Lili Ledy on the right.


C-3PO (2-lined COO): Lili Ledy on the right.


DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy C-3PO has:
- less shiny gold paint
- a screw at the back
- more differences?

Remarks:

  • Ledy and PBP C-3POs having the 2-lined COO seem to be exactly the same.
  • Actually there are two versions of the 2-lined COO, with and without dent. Ledy and PBP C-3POs exist for both COO versions.




3-lined COO:
The comparison pics were made with a Kenner figure having a similar COO (COO no. 8 )

C-3PO (3-lined COO): Lili Ledy on the right.


C-3PO (3-lined COO): Lili Ledy on the right.


C-3PO (3-lined COO): Lili Ledy on the right.


DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy C-3PO has:
- less shiny gold paint
- a screw at the back
- more differences?


LILI LEDY VARIATIONS:

2-lined COO:
The following paint variants are known for the 2-lined COO:

  • shiny gold (see pic below)
  • dull gold (see pic below)
  • chrome (see pic below)
  • middle gold


Lili Ledy C-3PO variations (2-lined COO): chrome, dull gold and shiny gold finish.


Lili Ledy C-3PO variations (2-lined COO): chrome, dull gold and shiny gold finish.


3-lined COO:
The following paint variants are known for the 3-lined COO:

  • shiny gold (scroll a bit up to see the pics)
  • silver


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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:35 am

What makes you 100% sure that the C-3PO in the middle is a Ledy one and not a PBP?
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:28 am

@mike-skywalker wrote:
What makes you 100% sure that the C-3PO in the middle is a Ledy one and not a PBP?

HAhahhahhhha....or shall i say: Muhahhahhah!

This is a never ending storry! I also thought I could tell the differences. At this time I had 4 different Ledys and 2 different PBPs. Now I have added one more ledy and one more PBP. Both have reversed look....so...Im very unsure now.....

I would say the one from the pic is more PBP then Ledy...but honestly...by now I have a ledy that looks exact the same!
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:04 am

Marco I love the update on Luke Jedi ... this post rocked.

I didn't know that the LL V3 Blaster has a different "flash" point on the hilt. Technically speaking shouldn't this mean the LL Palace blaster is a V4?

The photo also confirms to some extent your belife that LL Palace Blasters were moulded in Mexcio. Well done mate - even more exicited to get my Dr Denger Surprise Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:52 am

what do you mean with "flash point"???

To me LL is V3. The color is important!

And Marco: NO...there is no brown one known! The brown one belongs to MIHK kenner release Wink

I also have my problem with calling the ledy : "black one". The only black one existing is kenner Lando general and Luke endor! The ledy is more very very dark blue...nearly greyish dark blue!

Check it in daylight compared to a lando general one...you will see: ledy is not black Wink

I say this not because Im picky...I says this because ATST drivers were sold over years with lando general black blaster as original balster...which is totally wrong and many people were duped!


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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:34 am

@wbobafett wrote:
@mike-skywalker wrote:
What makes you 100% sure that the C-3PO in the middle is a Ledy one and not a PBP?

HAhahhahhhha....or shall i say: Muhahhahhah!

This is a never ending storry! I also thought I could tell the differences. At this time I had 4 different Ledys and 2 different PBPs. Now I have added one more ledy and one more PBP. Both have reversed look....so...Im very unsure now.....

I would say the one from the pic is more PBP then Ledy...but honestly...by now I have a ledy that looks exact the same!

Thanks Michael and Wolff! I learn something new every day here on TIG, one of the things which makes this site so great!!

Honestly I didn't know there was a PBP C-3PO version , which looks very similar to the Ledy version. Would be great to have some side by side pics here.

@wbobafett wrote:

And Marco: NO...there is no brown one known! The brown one belongs to MIHK kenner release Wink

OK that is good to know, thanks for confirming!

@wbobafett wrote:

I also have my problem with calling the ledy : "black one". The only black one existing is kenner Lando general and Luke endor! The ledy is more very very dark blue...nearly greyish dark blue!

Check it in daylight compared to a lando general one...you will see: ledy is not black Wink

I say this not because Im picky...I says this because ATST drivers were sold over years with lando general black blaster as original balster...which is totally wrong and many people were duped!

Oh man, Wolff, you are such a picky purist Very Happy. So let me summarize:
  • 'black' LL palace blaster (AT-ST driver) is actually very dark blue
  • black Kenner palace blaster (Lando General, Luke Endor) is very very black, as black as deep inside Wolff's ar%#% Very Happy. (and before getting strange questions, no guys, I did not check that, it was just an assumption :-)


Best thing to do in case of doubt is to check the molding of the black gun: V3 = Lili Ledy, V1 ≠ Lili Ledy
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:10 pm

Sorry, I have only one LL C-3PO, but I found 2 PBP in Spain with different COOs. One with the dent beside the Hong Kong and one without.
left one is LL and the other two PBPs.



Have a look at toxictoyzz carded PBP C-3PO. Its the same dull gold...as the LL.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=vintagedisplay&Number=4346624&Forum=,All_Forums,&Words=&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=4278092&Search=true&where=&Name=13881&daterange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post4346624
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:46 pm

Im too lazy for a new pic....but fact is:

Ledy exist with 3 coos:
-3-lined
-2-lined with dent
-2-lined without dent

PBP exists:
- 2-lined with dent
- 2-lined without dent

I have following colors on these:

Ledy:
- silver (3-lined)
- siver (2-lined)
- middle gold (2-lined)
- gold dull (2-lined)
- gold shiny (2-lined)

PBP:
- gold dull (2-lined)
- gold shiny (2-lined)

I also have a silverish one which is PBP...but not sure if he just is rubbed all over Wink

So......what both have in common is:

- screw in back
- sprayed gold in the "crotch" area...(differs from the rest of the gold which is more varnish like!
- exists with dent and without!


IMO its possible that Ledy produced for PBP. Like yoda and many other figures in spain can be exactly the same like Ledy!

But we will never know for sure!


BTW: the 3-lined 3po from ledy I would say its possibly a LL ESB version...like the Luke bespin yellow hair, the R2 no coo and the Leia bespin with very lightbrown hair!
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:43 pm

Here is my Ledy 3 line coo C-3po




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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:23 pm

First class info Michael, Wolff, and Dan!! Thanks a lot! Very Happy

@wbobafett wrote:


Ledy exist with 3 coos:
-3-lined
-2-lined with dent
-2-lined without dent

PBP exists:
- 2-lined with dent
- 2-lined without dent



Do I got it right and does the pic below clarify the distinction between the 2-lined COOs with and w/o dent?



@wbobafett wrote:


I have following colors on these:

Ledy:
- silver (3-lined)
- siver (2-lined)
- middle gold (2-lined)
- gold dull (2-lined)
- gold shiny (2-lined)


And apparently there is also a shiny gold C-3PO with the 3-lined COO (see Dan's pic)!!!


@mike-skywalker wrote:

Have a look at toxictoyzz carded PBP C-3PO. Its the same dull gold...as the LL.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=vintagedisplay&Number=4346624&Forum=,All_Forums,&Words=&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=4278092&Search=true&where=&Name=13881&daterange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post4346624

In toxictoyzz's thread there is a dull gold C-3PO on a PBP removable limbs C-3PO card. Is this a fixed limbs C-3PO? scratch


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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:29 pm

1. yes....thats the dent/no dent difference!

2. it seems so Sad....so I probably will hunt for a dull gold with 3-line

3. yes this is a fixed limbs! All PBP rem cards have fixed limbs conten Wink
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:33 pm

@wbobafett wrote:
1. yes....thats the dent/no dent difference!

2. it seems so Sad....so I probably will hunt for a dull gold with 3-line

3. yes this is a fixed limbs! All PBP rem cards have fixed limbs conten Wink

1 OK, thanks

2 Sorry to hear that, you can sell your green caped LL Luke Jedi to me to raise some funds. Very Happy

3. Great, again learned something. Cool card BTW. Were there also PBP fixed limbs C-3POs w/o screw?
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:08 am



**************************************** BREAKING NEWS *************************************************

  1. The Chewie entry has been updated with a LL variant cast in darker brown plastic: Page 1

  2. The Klaatu entry has been updated with a variant wearing a thick fur with a leather belt: Page 6



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