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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:39 pm

@Dr Dengar wrote:


Hope this helps.

Do you have questions/doubts about other guns in your lot?

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Thanks Marco, you cleared all my doubts!!
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:34 am

In the beginning, I thought that Ackbar was the most difficult to distinguish Ledy figure.

I was so wrong.

Teebo is the one who is really giving my a headache. unsure

That's why I bought a few Ledy figures from different sources in the past two years (thx to Ozio, Adolfo, Sacko, Jedikikin, Riscan) to really have a good look at them.


I have just spent one hour comparing all the Mexican Teebos to their Kenner brother (in the middle).

Any answers yet?

Soon, in your nearest Lili Ledy thread. smoke


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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:14 pm



TEEBO




COO guide for Teebo


NOTE: COO #4, #5, #6 are shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner.
These COOs only differ in very subtle ways from each other, and represent otherwise identical steel moulds that were used together during production, both by Kenner and Lili Ledy.  


COO #4, #5, #6: no COO

Teebo no COO: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Teebo no COO: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Teebo no COO: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Teebo no COO: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Teebo no COO: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Teebo no COO: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Teebo no COO: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Teebo no COO: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Teebo no COO: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Teebo no COO: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Teebo no COO: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy Teebo has:
- A shade lighter grey stripes on his body (hard to grasp by camera, unfortunately)
- Glossy instead of dull grey nose and eyes


An overview of the small COO variations found in Ledy Teebo figures is given below. Pictures were made by Ozio.

Small space between ©️ and LFL 1984: 'Aligned'.


Small space between ©️ and LFL 1984: 'F' downshifted, ‘4’ upshifted.


Bigger space between ©️ and LFL 1984: 'F' downshifted, ‘4’ downshifted.


Bigger space between ©️ and LFL 1984: 'L' upshifted.



PAINT VARIATIONS:

Major Variations:
The Lili Ledy Teebo has a variant with brown eyes and nose. This figure appears with grey stripes that have the same intensity compared to a regular Ledy Teebo, or with a shade darker stripes (comparable to a no COO Teebo).
You can read more about this interesting variant in an upcoming entry in Ozio’s special report section.
OZIO's Special Report: Unknown and Rare Lili Ledy Figures

Comparison between Teebo no COO . From left to right: 1 (Kenner), 2 (Lili Ledy, normal eyes), 3 (Lili ledy, brown eyes), 4 (Lili Ledy, brown eyes, darker grey stripes).


Comparison between Teebo no COO . From left to right: 1 (Kenner), 2 (Lili Ledy, normal eyes), 3 (Lili ledy, brown eyes), 4 (Lili Ledy, brown eyes, darker grey stripes).


Comparison between Teebo no COO . From left to right: 1 (Kenner), 2 (Lili Ledy, normal eyes), 3 (Lili ledy, brown eyes), 4 (Lili Ledy, brown eyes, darker grey stripes).


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REMARK:

The Lili Ledy Teebo is hard to distinguish from the Kenner no COO figure. Personally I think Teebo is the toughest figure to identify. But like that other tough figure (Ackbar) you have to look into their eyes.

If you plan to buy a Ledy teebo make sure you have a no COO Teebo at home for comparison. With both figures in hand, the differences are much more obvious. The eyes are different, and the stripes of the no COO Teebo are a bit darker.  

To help you, I made a few more comparison shots, including the Taiwan figure. Notice the different eye colours.

Comparison between Teebos . From left to right: 1 (Kenner, Taiwan COO), 2 (Kenner, no COO), 3 (Lili ledy, regular).


Comparison between Teebos . From left to right: 1 (Kenner, Taiwan COO), 2 (Kenner, no COO), 3 (Lili ledy, regular).


Comparison between Teebos . From left to right: 1 (Kenner, Taiwan COO), 2 (Kenner, no COO), 3 (Lili ledy, regular).



[color=yellow]Going from left to right: 1 (Kenner, Taiwan COO), 2 (Kenner, Taiwan COO), 3 (Kenner, no COO), 4 (Kenner, no COO), 5 (Lili Ledy, regular), 6 (Lili Ledy, regular), 7 ( Lili Ledy, brown eyes), 8 (Lili Ledy, brown eyes).


[i]Going from left to right: 1 (Kenner, Taiwan COO), 2 (Kenner, Taiwan COO), 3 (Kenner, no COO), 4 (Kenner, no COO), 5 (Lili Ledy, regular), 6 (Lili Ledy, regular), 7 ( Lili Ledy, brown eyes), 8 (Lili Ledy, brown eyes).



Top row from left to right: 5 (Lili Ledy, regular), 6 (Lili Ledy, regular), 7 ( Lili Ledy, brown eyes), 8 (Lili Ledy, brown eyes).
Bottom row from left to right: 1 (Kenner, Taiwan COO), 2 (Kenner, Taiwan COO), 3 (Kenner, no COO), 4 (Kenner, no COO).




ACCESSORIES

HOOD/SKULL:



Did you know?
I always thought that Teebo was wearing the skull of a wild pig.
Today I actually learned that it is the skull of a Gurreck, a horned predator native to the Endor forests.
This little Ewok kills brute predators!!! My respect for Teebo has grown a lot today. Very Happy



AXE:






HORN



Teebo from 5:00.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Jul 07, 2012 4:58 am

As Teebo is such a tough figure to identify, I made some extra comparison shots this morning and put them in the entry.

I hope they help.

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:13 am

I can see why you left this one to near the end!
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:18 pm

I would just like to thank everyone involved in making this thread happen. I'm not quite through reading the entire thread yet. I can only read a couple pages at a time. That's a lot of info to digest. It definitely makes spotting the real ledy's easier for us rookies.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:45 pm



Thanks for your kind words, Commander! Very Happy

A lot of people contributed to the gathered info which is presented in this thread, you can find them in the acknowledgements section on page 1.

If you have any Ledy questions now or later, here is the place to ask them.

Are you into Ledy collecting as well?



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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:58 pm

Marco, I do try to collect Ledy's, Kenner, PBP, etc. loose figures & variants. I think the collection is around 300 - 400 figures. Hopefully when I get the basement finished and turned into my man-cave (by christmas), I will get them out of storage and displayed.
Thanks

I will try to get some video of the motorized AT-AT & AT-ST in action loaded tonight.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:16 pm

Guys i need some help here, both Squid capes are legit?




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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:30 pm

@DelToro_Sith wrote:
Guys i need some help here, both Squid capes are legit?






Both legit buddy.

Cheers

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:07 pm

Around 2003, technical cards about Ledy figures, were published in the Mexican magazine Universo Star Wars. The reference card for the Ledy C-3PO mentions two versions for this figure. One having a normal head ('cabeza regular'), the other having a big head ('cabeza ancha').



Thanks to DelToro (muchas gracias Very Happy ), I could add a big head Ledy C-3PO version to my collection today. I immediately made some comparison shots with a regular Ledy C-3PO, as I was very curious to see the differences with my own eyes and then share it to you, guys.

There we go:















In the pic below you can easily see that the big head version has a larger width compared to the regular version. The height of the head is the same for both versions. Maybe pancake head would therefore be a better name for this version. Very Happy



I wonder whether the big head is the result of a different used steelmould. In that case, one could consider it a true sculpt variation, similar like Han small and big head.

Or might the big head be the result of some kind of plastic deformation during the production process, after the head was cast and removed from the steelmould? Similar like the two legs of one figure can have differences in lengths sometimes.

We have seen a type of deformation before, for one Ledy RL C3PO figure, discussed earlier in this thread (see pic below, nothing to do with the C-3POs in this post BTW!). If this can happen to limbs, why not to heads as well?



Ok let the discussion begin! Cool

What do you think? Pancake head, true variant or just a factory error?

Just share your ideas, please.




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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:57 pm

So does this pancake head come from a completely different mold? They look extremely different! Nice documentation Marco. I also like seeing the info you provided that was published back in 2003.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:51 pm

stevefdwyer wrote:
So does this pancake head come from a completely different mold?

That's what I am wondering about too.

Maybe we are talking two different steel moulds, maybe the pancake head is a factory deformed regular head, maybe something else. scratch

Another regular head going pancake (not for the faint of heart):
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:00 pm

Marco wrote "Maybe we are talking two different steel moulds, maybe the pancake head is a factory deformed regular head, maybe something else. "

Well, your new purchase matches that 2003 article head perfectly. Congrats on adding this piece. It's also nice to have proof of its' existence from the article pic. I'll stay tuned to this topic as I am also interested in what others are classifying it as...
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:02 pm



BTW: I forgot to mention the hole in the back.

This hole can also be seen on regular head Ledy C-3POs. Maybe a flaw in one of the used steel moulds?
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:51 pm

PM sent. Very Happy

The position of the hole in the back can vary?

The hole in your example (& another I've seen) looks to have been made by melting the plastic with a hot implement?

Personally I would say the 'pancake' head was a factory error. It would be interesting to know how many members have owned or seen a 3PO with this characteristic. If it is rare, then I think that would support the factory error idea, as it would suggest the head was not intended to be like that. I certainly can't imagine why it would be intentional.



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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:37 pm

Here is another example of the big head C3PO (I'm not endorsing or trying to help with this sale, but it is another example)....
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:13 pm

This 'Big Head' variation it's a well know variation here on Mexico, just as the 'hole on the back' LL 3PO.
The thing I like the most about it it's that it has the hole in the back and the big head characteristics on one piece.
I've never had one, I knew about it through the 2003 technical cards Marco showed and as you can see there, there's no picture of the back of that big head variation on it, the one on ebay has that hole, Marco's has it so I really think this is a true variation, a very hard to find one, something like the 1978 LL R2.
Congrats on a great find Marco!!!!


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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:02 pm

My bad AJ, but please know I just posted the Ebay add as proof/reference material only : ) Thank you for posting the pics.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:37 am

I have some questions about Leia Boushh in a Made In Mexico baggie.

1. Is it pot luck whether the figure comes with Ledy accessories (like the MIM carded Biker Scout, Logray etc.)?

2. Was this figure produced for sale in multipacks?

3. Are there other MIM figures found in baggies that arn't known to occur on MIM cards?
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:15 pm

Some good questions, Steve.

I don't know much about baggies, so hopefully others can chime in to answer your questions 1 + 2.

About 3.

I wonder which figures were released in MIM baggies. I know of Logray, Squid Head, Boussh, Gammorean Guard. All figures which were released on MIM cards too. More figures?

There were also reports of a Ledy Bib Fortuna in a baggie w/o any text. At least this figure did not appear on MIM cards.

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t3170-help-identifying-a-bag-o-bib-fortuna?highlight=fortuna

I read somewhere else that this bagged Ledy Bib might have been a part of woolies 8 packs .

Did someone else read this too and has a link? scratch
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:41 pm

If I may add some thoughts:

1. I have saved a few pictures of this so called "big head" variant over years. I think its not even nearly as rare as the 1978 R2!!!! I have also one myself and honestly just noticed because of the recentz ebay auctions!...LOL

2. I dont would call him a variant! I havent checked but IMO this just looks like a head from a rem limbs 3PO. So it would be sth that got mixed up and therefore a factory error.
I havent checked closely but will do soon.
Even though it is not abot mixing up heads it is a factory error because it just makes no sense otherwise. It must be some deformation while producing this one! (Could imagine pullig it out of the steelmold too soon)
It absolutley makes no sense to have
a) a unique mold for that while producing normal heads.....besides LL has no unique molds (besides MIM figures)
b) introducing this unique mold between three-line coos and later 2-line coos. So changing the mold all the time
etc, etc

....its a mixed up head or an factoy error to me!


3. The big head not always has a hole in the back. And whole in the head is also existing with small heads!!!

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:22 pm

@Dr Dengar wrote:
Some good questions, Steve.

I don't know much about baggies, so hopefully others can chime in to answer your questions 1 + 2.

About 3.

I wonder which figures were released in MIM baggies. I know of Logray, Squid Head, Boussh, Gammorean Guard. All figures which were released on MIM cards too. More figures?

There were also reports of a Ledy Bib Fortuna in a baggie w/o any text. At least this figure did not appear on MIM cards.

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t3170-help-identifying-a-bag-o-bib-fortuna?highlight=fortuna

I read somewhere else that this bagged Ledy Bib might have been a part of woolies 8 packs .

Did someone else read this too and has a link? scratch


Here's a Nien Nunb to add to the baggie list. So far it does seem to correlate with the MIM cards with the exception of that mentioned Bib.

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Mon Aug 13, 2012 4:57 pm

Thanks for the responses Marco & Shawn. Very Happy

@Dr Dengar wrote:
Some good questions, Steve.

I wonder which figures were released in MIM baggies. I know of Logray, Squid Head, Boussh, Gammorean Guard. All figures which were released on MIM cards too. More figures?

There were also reports of a Ledy Bib Fortuna in a baggie w/o any text. At least this figure did not appear on MIM cards.

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t3170-help-identifying-a-bag-o-bib-fortuna?highlight=fortuna

I read somewhere else that this bagged Ledy Bib might have been a part of woolies 8 packs .


Leia Boussh on MIM card?

With regards to the possibility that Ledy Bibs were available through Woolworths, for what it's worth my loose one was purchased in the UK (I spotted it among a lot of 'standard' common figures). It was not advertised as Ledy, and the seller did not appear to be a collector or professional dealer. I have also seen another example 'slip under the radar' in recent months. So, could it be possible that this figure was available in the UK? Interesting!
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:20 pm

@Wolff: I didn't think about the possibility that the big head was 'borrowed' from a RL C-3PO. It is an interesting idea, and indeed it would be good to test whether the head of the RL C-3PO is indeed larger.

@Shawn: Thanks for adding Nien Nunb to the list of Ledy figures which appeared in baggies.
More figures? Klaatu?


@cantina_patron wrote:


Leia Boussh on MIM card?

With regards to the possibility that Ledy Bibs were available through Woolworths, for what it's worth my loose one was purchased in the UK (I spotted it among a lot of 'standard' common figures). It was not advertised as Ledy, and the seller did not appear to be a collector or professional dealer. I have also seen another example 'slip under the radar' in recent months. So, could it be possible that this figure was available in the UK? Interesting!

@Steve: LOL, you are right, Boushh was not released on MIM cards. I think I should start reading this thread a bit better. Very Happy
Interesting info about the Ledy Bib appearing in the UK.
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