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PostSubject: Re: Darth Vader Figure Variants Thread   Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:16 pm

@M4K3R1 wrote:
Hi Chris,
i would say that your Vader is the same as the Clipper variant shown in the photos at the top of this page.
Your cape ia also original, it is usually called the "Roguse/Leathery" textured cape.
Cape can be found on Clipper and sometimes also called PBP roguse cape.
I would say that you have a Clipper from a "No text baggie"
It also looks like your cape is an "Error cut cape"
If you look carefully at the bottom edges, about 1 inch from the bottom,
you should notice a very small step in the cut.
Your Vader is in very nice condition.


Thanks very much for confirming my suspicions Oscar, its always good to get a second opinion, especially from a Vader variant collector. Also thank you for clarifying the origins of the cape for me. Indeed you are correct, there is a small indent to the edge of the cape about an inch from the bottom on both sides. Wow i would never have spotted that unless you pointed it out Smile


I was also wondering if there is any difference between the clipper and a PBP variant as I also have this figure with the same coo as the one above but with a smoother cape (which is damaged). He too has a glossy appearance but his feet don't seem to be quite as big as the clipper. Also the spray mask used on his chest plate and belt is different. Is this another clipper variant or could it be something else? scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Darth Vader Figure Variants Thread   Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:24 am

Hi Chris and Oscar, this Vader is actually COO 8 and not 9 which is the one made by PBP and found in the Cliper Mailer. COO 8 with the H remaining is also PBP made and thats found on PBP and Palitoy cards.
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/COO-GUIDE-h21.htm#Darth%20Vader
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PostSubject: Re: Darth Vader Figure Variants Thread   Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:29 am

Hi Scott, hows things.
Could you tell me if the photo from Starwizz, no text clipper baggie with the roguse cape,
is the same as Chris75 Vader

Does this photo show the H scar, or are my eyes playing tricks on me.
I am asuming that this photo has the H scar, which is hard to see.


I checked my no text clipper baggie, and the coo is infact without the H scar,
and missing the bottom of the G and 9 also.

Would the easiest way to classify these be,
With the H scar = PBP
Same as the H scar, but without the H = Clipper
Both may or not have the second G, or the 9, or both, missing the bottoms.



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PostSubject: Re: Darth Vader Figure Variants Thread   Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:08 am

@M4K3R1 wrote:
Hi Scott, hows things.
Could you tell me if the photo from Starwizz, no text clipper baggie with the roguse cape,
is the same as Chris75 Vader

Does this photo show the H scar, or are my eyes playing tricks on me.
I am asuming that this photo has the H scar, which is hard to see.


I checked my no text clipper baggie, and the coo is infact without the H scar,
and missing the bottom of the G and 9 also.

Would the easiest way to classify these be,
With the H scar = PBP
Same as the H scar, but without the H = Clipper
Both may or not have the second G, or the 9, or both, missing the bottoms.


Hi Oscar, I'm good mate thanks

I've never noticed that before in Dennis picture and thanks for pointing it out, I've never seen another H Scar matched up with the mailer but it does appear to have the H Scar, maybe Dennis can confirm? If so its the same as chris75's

That would mean 5 variants for the mailer Cool

To me these are both PBP no matter what cards or baggies there are found in, the capes are a thick leather pattern and I'm not sure where the roguse cape description comes from, mayby something thats lost in translation.

I have these down as,
PBP Full Scar COO
PBP H-Scar COO
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PostSubject: Re: Darth Vader Figure Variants Thread   Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:33 pm

thanks for the clarification guys.
I also received this one in the post today, it looks like coo #17 Glasslite but i'm not sure. The 9 is slightly lower like on the glasslite coo or the 1 is higher, i'm not sure which. But the coo looks more heavily scarred on mine, perhaps its just a coo# 12 as part of the Hong Kong is still visible. Sorry for the poor quality pics but it was dark by the time i got home and the lighting isn't great.
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the saber has the letter M on the hilt. I have just noticed a melt mark near the elbow of his left arm. Also he is fractionally shorter than a regular kenner Vader. Could it be Glasslite? bounce


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PostSubject: Re: Darth Vader Figure Variants Thread   Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:26 pm

Chris, looks to like a coo#12 figure, scar looks carved.
with a Lili Ledy lettered saber.
I could be wrong, but i dont think the figure is a Lili Ledy figure, its missing the details for LL Figure.
Glasslite is coo#17, scar looks melted, and the saber is slightlly different to yours,
a glasslite Vader also has a unique belt buckle, which is different to yours.
I would say its a HK figure, with LL saber.
If you decide to part with it, i need that letter LL saber. Wink

Edit- Im not sure if this could be a PBP predecessor to the Deep/H scar.
Can anyone please confirm this.


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PostSubject: Re: Darth Vader Figure Variants Thread   Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:57 am

@M4K3R1 wrote:
Chris, looks to like a coo#12 figure, scar looks carved.
with a Lili Ledy lettered saber.
I could be wrong, but i dont think the figure is a Lili Ledy figure, its missing the details for LL Figure.
Glasslite is coo#17, scar looks melted, and the saber is slightlly different to yours,
a glasslite Vader also has a unique belt buckle, which is different to yours.
I would say its a HK figure, with LL saber.
If you decide to part with it, i need that letter LL saber. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Darth Vader Figure Variants Thread   Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:58 am

here are some better quality pics of my possible coo#12 /early PBP figure. There does seem to be a little more flashing to his limbs and head than my regular kenner figures, also the mark on the arm i can't tell if this was done later or if it came out of the mould like that. And is it just me, or perhaps the lighting, but do his buttocks look slightly more defined? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated, cheers.

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PostSubject: Re: Darth Vader Figure Variants Thread   Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:35 pm

This Vader's coo is a regular HK but I noticed this this afternoon. On his belt, the standard Vader should have 6 dots on both sides of him but on this particular one Both sides have 3 - 4 dots. Just want some help to see if this is the only one, a true variant, or some mould issue. All Help will be appreciated



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PostSubject: Re: Darth Vader Figure Variants Thread   Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:19 am

Looks to me like a factory mold error. If you put up a pic of the coo, I can compare it to my one, but it looks like it could be a coo I.1b on Wolffs 3.0 guide

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PostSubject: Re: Darth Vader Figure Variants Thread   Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:07 am

Chris here are 2 pics of the coo.





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PostSubject: Re: Darth Vader Figure Variants Thread   Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:50 am

Yeah it's a coo I.1a on Wolffs guide, but my coo I.1b has the same sculpt. Which is not unusual as both of these figures derive from the same coo mold family, all of the parts would have been mixed up together during the production run of these two figures. So unfortunately, not a unique sculpt detail, i'm afraid.
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PostSubject: Re: Darth Vader Figure Variants Thread   Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:11 pm

Glasslite Second Coo Variant

More info on this variant can be found in Walkie's excellent GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD  













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PostSubject: Re: Darth Vader Figure Variants Thread   Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:17 am

Hi, I've got a doubt concerning the sole "Taiwan" (not "made in Taiwan") Vader. Granted it is Toltoys. But... how can I spot the different versions (I think 3)?
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PostSubject: Re: Darth Vader Figure Variants Thread   Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:25 am

It is generally thought that the Taiwan only coo is unique to Australia and therefore Toltoys, mainly due to it not really being found anywhere else in significant numbers. But as it is impossible to identify a TW only coo from the front, it is hard to Know for sure as we only have mocs to provide evidence. The TW only coo is identical to the made in Taiwan coo in sculpt and appearance. the cape and saber although unique to the Taiwan figures can also be found on both MITW and TW Vader's.

I believe that there are two known coo examples which can be found on Wolff's excellent 3.0 coo guide:

http://swspaceclub.com/wbobafett/coo-guide-3-0/anh/darth-vader/#a

I hope this is helpful to you, but it might be worth giving Oscar a PM as he is the resident expert on all things Vader and has recently sold two TW only Vader's and currently has a third for sale  jawdrop 

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PostSubject: Re: Darth Vader Figure Variants Thread   Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:45 am

Thanks, Chris Smile . I have been these last days giving some thought to buying that TW, but there is also a MOC Droids C3PO on eBay which is frankly tempting...
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PostSubject: Re: Darth Vader Figure Variants Thread   Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:54 am

These TW Vader's come up very rarely. Personally I believe that the TW Vader is the more rare of the two, so I would definately go for the TW Vader, without a second thought.  You can always pick the moc up at another time, but then I am a bit biast when it comes to Vader  Very Happy
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