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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:54 pm

So sometime down the line, the blue will go light blue, then grey according to this chart. And the yellow paint on the knees will also fade to a lighter color along with it. Shouldve found this yesterday. lol! As you can see on the black chart, the grey will also fade to tan also , for other figures as the colors fade and deteriate. And since the limbs are made of softer plastic compared to the torsos, they will fade faster than the torsos will.[/quote]

Hmm... So we get down to the GOOD batch - BAD batch thing again, huh? Yeah, well... It definitely makes sense with the deterioration chart, but then again: HOW COME, not ALL Klaatus are tan limbs? Wait: I know... because of BAD batch - GOOD batch situation. :I am stupid: How could I forget? :I am stupid: head bang :cool laugh: I respect your and your fellas' opinion on this subject. However: does matte dark grey turn into a bit glossy very dark grey (almost black) over time? Just because the TAN limbs Klaatus all have much darker (almost black) boots. I have six of them so I am pretty much positive about that. I think, based on the logic of fading, the dark colours change to paler ones over time. How come the 'faded' tan Klaatus have dark boots on their supposingly 'pale' legs?......

I am sure one of you have a ready answer for this question, too. I am eager to learn. bounce pirat



Picture: standard HK and Trilogo Klaatu on the LEFT, with dark grey boots, all the others are tan limb Klaatus (mixed limbs "transformants" or DGs if you like) with VERY dark (almost black) boots.

I believe it IS indeed a good thread! We can discuss the pros and cons for a Heck of a long time! king


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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:56 pm

Not again, bud. Evil or Very Mad Read above and you'll get your answer. And like I said yesterday, all the figures were meant to have the same limbs. The ones with different ones are faded as was told yesterday.

And why are you digging up old threads just to start in on something that was proven to you yesterday on all these faded figures? Bored? Or are you still trying to prove all your faded figures are legit when they aren't? And what are you talking about spare limbs? The figures were put together with what came down the line, whether good or bad, unless there was a defect in it they could see. None of the works could tell what the limbs would do 30 years in the future when they assembled them. No I didnt work there or have someone who did. Im justy using what I LEARNED from READING posts on other websites from guys who KNOW what they are talking about, instead of someone throwing THEROYS and ALMOST THEROYS out there trying to put out mis-information on something.
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:12 pm

trying to prove all your faded figures are legit when they aren't? And what are you talking about spare limbs? [/quote]

I am not trying to prove my faded figures are legitimate. But I AM trying to prove that not all color differences are caused by fading.

Anyway, I sent that remark to Joe first of all. This whole discussion-thing on colours seems pointless to me, so I finish my comments with this one.

YOU WIN!! lol! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:15 pm

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Not again, bud. Evil or Very Mad Read above and you'll get your answer. And like I said yesterday, all the figures were meant to have the same limbs. The ones with different ones are faded as was told yesterday.

And why are you digging up old threads just to start in on something that was proven to you yesterday on all these faded figures? Bored? Or are you still trying to prove all your faded figures are legit when they aren't?

Did I make you angry? Sorry! Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:24 pm

@Hutthunter wrote:
trying to prove all your faded figures are legit when they aren't? And what are you talking about spare limbs?

I am not trying to prove my faded figures are legitimate. But I AM trying to prove that not all color differences are caused by fading.

Anyway, I sent that remark to Joe first of all. This whole discussion-thing on colours seems pointless to me, so I finish my comments with this one.

YOU WIN!! lol! lol!

No one is trying to win mate. So don't go down that road. People are trying to help you.

Chris, Joe and Ganja are trying to help you understand all of this variant stuff. Discoloration is a very interesting thing that does wild and crazy things to figures. So just have a little patience, relax and take it all in. There is no contest here and there is no prize at the end. Everyone is just trying to help each other out.

Here is an excellent thread started recently by a knowledgeable variant collector. It would do you some good to READ the entire first post. That will tell you a lot about discoloration AND the production process.

Happy Reading! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:32 pm

No, if you pissed me off, you would know it. Its just it seems funny you brought up two threads a month old everybody left alone to blast someones comments to make it sound like your all knowing in the last two days. We tried to tell you what we learned from other members whove been in the game alot longer than we have to help newer guys along with their collections by giving them facts., not mis-information. I was trying to make a nice post when I put up that color chart to help show how limbs will fade to different colors. I never said they all do, but you tried to flip it around saying I meant all limbs. And as for your Klatuus, sure the limbs faded, doesnt mean the black paint does. Im talking about limbs the same as you were and I just added that the yellow could fade to a lighter color as the limbs fade. Is that too hard to comprehend? Try this then

Bad batch of plastic= faded limbs faster
Good batch of plastic= limbs would fade slower if at all

And as far as colors fading, you cant go light to dark. Its not possible, so I dont know what the hell your talking about on that. If your talking about the boots on Klaatu, thats damn paint not plastic so it wont fade as the limbs did.

Sorry, didnt see your post there Chris. You were doing yours as I was putting mine in.
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:03 pm

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And as far as colors fading, you cant go light to dark. Its not possible, so I dont know what the hell your talking about on that. If your talking about the boots on Klaatu, thats damn paint not plastic so it wont fade as the limbs did.

I think I made clear what I was talking about. Of course the boots. I did not mention anything else. You got it:
"you cant go light to dark". This is what I wanted to point out! In the Fett thread I read that the painted parts also fade and discolour, not only the colour of the plastic itself. But the Klaatu boots don't . BUT my Real point is: with those faded legs the Klaatus still have Darker boots than the standard Klaatu! Can you comprehend that? I did NOT mean they turn from LIGHT to DARK. I pointed out the opposite! That it is impossible! So the tan limbs Klaatu figures had Originally darker boots than the standard grey limbed ones. Meaning: they were DIFFERENT from the normal ones originally. Like the white skirt differs from the thinner brown skirts. I hope you won't say that is degradation, too...

OK, been great talking to you... I suppose...
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:17 pm


No one is trying to win mate. So don't go down that road. People are trying to help you.

Chris, Joe and Ganja are trying to help you understand all of this variant stuff. Discoloration is a very interesting thing that does wild and crazy things to figures. So just have a little patience, relax and take it all in. Everyone is just trying to help each other out.

OK, I appreciate that. Really. But I cannot help getting the feeling they think I am stupid just because I read the discoloration thread now, and not a month or whatever ago, and so I have that bad old opinion some other members don't have anymore... I have to read more about this discoloration stuff, that is for sure. VERY SAD that Brian's Toys and such are making huge amounts of profit on these "freak?" figures! I was lucky not to have to spend more on them than for standard ones... (mostly)

Here is an excellent thread started recently by a knowledgeable variant collector. It would do you some good to READ the entire first post. That will tell you a lot about discoloration AND the production process.

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OK, thanks. I will read it through tomorrow or some time later. Cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:51 pm

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And as for your Klatuus, sure the limbs faded, doesnt mean the black paint does. Im talking about limbs the same as you were and I just added that the yellow could fade to a lighter color as the limbs fade. Is that too hard to comprehend?

Miss that part? I actually agreed with you on it, but it must of slipped by.

And no one thinks your stupid, but when we try to explain something to you, you try to flip it around and make it look like we dont know what we're trying to explain about it. Its just that we have seen this song and dance before over on RS over the past 4 years when it first hit hardcore, and some still dont get it even with evidence in front of them. Like RebelChris said, all we're trying to do is help out to better inform everybody on the misconcept of whats what, not try to make anyone look or feel stupid. Believe me, thats the last thing I or any of the other guys want. And since you brought up Brians Toys, you see what we are trying to get out there, the facts on all these so-called variants. Ive seen guys drop $20-50 on a so-called variant, even more actually, and go nuts when they are told what it is, a deteriated figure. It happens when they find out that a figure they drop hundreds on turns out to be fakes, like a dyed burgendy cape Squidhead. bWe just dont want a fellow collector get burned for a ton of money thinking they found something. I can asure you that there will be a new variant come up everyday. There has been for the last few years. When sellers on Ebay find a discolored figure, they label them as a new variant, never seen before.

Not sure if you seen it yesterday or not, but I linked to some threads on RS for a bunch of threads on variants. Whenever you get time, go back and check those out along with the one RC linked for you. They are very good thread with a ton of info in them.

As for the white skirt Klaatus, yhea thats deteriation too. lol! Just Kidding. I actually got one of each of those MOC. The white skirt is on a Canadian card and the tan skirt is on a Palitoy. So most likely that was two different materials used on that. Why, who knows. I dont remember that ever being brought up if it ever was.

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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:18 pm

They used two different materials because they ran out of 100 thread count Yak hair cloth. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:09 pm

variants can bite my shiny metal ass
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:04 am

@Hyver wrote:
variants can bite my shiny metal ass

Well put Bender! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:27 pm

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Miss that part? I actually agreed with you on it, but it must of slipped by.

... more actually, and go nuts when they are told what it is, a deteriated figure. It happens when they find out that a figure they drop hundreds on turns out to be fakes, like a dyed burgendy cape Squidhead. bWe just dont want a fellow collector get burned for a ton of money thinking they found something. I can asure you that there will be a new variant come up everyday. There has been for the last few years. When sellers on Ebay find a discolored figure, they label them as a new variant, never seen before.

As for the white skirt Klaatus, yhea thats deteriation too. lol! Just Kidding. I actually got one of each of those MOC. The white skirt is on a Canadian card and the tan skirt is on a Palitoy. So most likely that was two different materials used on that. Why, who knows. I dont remember that ever being brought up if it ever was.


Yep, I agree that the bad thing is to sell these DG (degenerated, deteriorated) figs for a high, unrealistic price. I dont buy them for that and not planning to sell for that, either. 🎅

As for Klaatu skirt: yep, Palitoy and GM figures have the tan skirt and I had a cut-out from a Canadian card with white furry skirt what I opened to have my mint "copy" of Klaatu w white skirt. White skirt was released in Japan, too. I have a MOC WS Klaatu from Tsukuda ( it is the less known factory in Japan besides Takara)

Thanks for all the info and opinions. I read some of the threads and will keep on reading when I get the time. :scratch:
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:56 pm

Sad part about it is, that the Tsukuda figures are US release figures. The only thing that sets them apart is the sticker and nothing else. I posted this in the other thread, COO and variations, I believe thats the right thread. There was only 3 (4 if you count the wind-up R2, which some people dont) figures released from Japan. And those are the Alt sculpt Vader, Stormie, and C-3PO. Eveything else with the Takara and Tsukuda stickers were on US released cardbacks as you can see in this from the SWCA.


Tsukuda

http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=59831


Takara

US card
http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=47196

Japan release alt sculpt
http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=42058
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:02 pm

@Chris_J wrote:
Sad part about it is, that the Tsukuda figures are US release figures. The only thing that sets them apart is the sticker and nothing else. I posted this in the other thread, COO and variations, I believe thats the right thread. There was only 3 (4 if you count the wind-up R2, which some people dont) figures released from Japan. And those are the Alt sculpt Vader, Stormie, and C-3PO. Eveything else with the Takara and Tsukuda stickers were on US released cardbacks as you can see in this from the SWCA.


Tsukuda

http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=59831


Takara

US card
http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=47196

Japan release alt sculpt
http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=42058

I was about to say the same thing. All Tsukuda MOCs are imports from US Kenner cards. Just like Clipper from the ROTJ line, they are just imported from other countries.

So there is no variant from Tsukuda.
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:12 pm

Stormie Smiley lol! Stormie Smiley


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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:19 pm

@Hyver wrote:
variants can bite my shiny metal ass

Hear, hear!
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:54 pm

@Capetown wrote:
Hear, hear!

x 2!!!lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:55 pm

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Tri logo with 'fading' colours


Correction: There are Tri Fetts with light brown belts most commonly with painted knee, unpainted dart & can have slightly darker blue plastic.


Allen & Andy's pics
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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:16 am

I have another example of the light limbs fett. Head, right arm and both legs are light limb. But left arm is same Colour as torso"bluish grey", I this is Sim damage, surely the left arm will turn Colour as well?


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PostSubject: Re: Boba Fett Loose variant – In depth discussion about discoloration and yellowing   Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:30 pm

@markseowlichang wrote:
I have another example of the light limbs fett. Head, right arm and both legs are light limb. But left arm is same Colour as torso"bluish grey", I this is Sim damage, surely the left arm will turn Colour as well?

Not necessarily. It is thought that the reason for the color change is due to the plastic itself. The limbs may not all be from the same batch of plastic nor exposed to the same conditions. In other words one day they may have made right arms and instead of rolling them to the hot warehouse, kept them moving directly to the assistant only room, we don't know and can't know. Sometimes with these discolored figures you can still see the actual color of the real plastic underneath. Sometimes a light scratch like a fingernail can get to the original color, other times like the rings in a tree you have to cut cross section. One thing is certain among all collectors though, no fett was ever released from the factory this way. There is not one collector who I have ever seen come forward and say as a child they remember their fett on the card at the store brand new with odd colored limbs to his torso.

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