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PostSubject: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:54 am

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-Star-Wars-BLACK-WEAPON-GUN-POTF-84-LANDO-GENERAL-LUKE-PONCHO-/280801055817?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41610c1449
These are 100% fake




the fake is in the middle, excess flashing along the mold seam, they float & have the dots that the other repros don't have.

also discussed here: http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1070602/

EDIT: seller has agreed to a full refund & the listing(s) have ended


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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:30 am

Thanks mate, for the warning and he is selling it as original ? Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:18 pm

Another POTF repo, even though in the picture it looks shit because of its size it's hard to see in hand and just looks a bit chewed, also a bit darker, there getting good at this Twisted Evil

95% sure its a new repo but it could be original and badly damaged, any one have any thoughts?

Top one is original




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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:00 pm

Thanks for the 'heads up' on the Palace Blaster AJ!

The Imperial Gunner weapon looks repro to me too Snaggletooth (very poorly molded with excess flashing along the top seam). Does that one float aswell?

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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:26 pm

Thats what I was thinking, a very bad cast repro. It actually looks like its been melted.
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:27 pm

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Thanks for the 'heads up' on the Palace Blaster AJ!

The Imperial Gunner weapon looks repro to me too Snaggletooth (very poorly molded with excess flashing along the top seam). Does that one float aswell?


Thanks for your thoughts cantina, I just checked and it does float to. You can see in the pictures that its a repo but looking side on in my hand they are getting very close with this mold and you have to look very close to see it Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:30 pm

Chris_J wrote:
Thats what I was thinking, a very bad cast repro. It actually looks like its been melted.

I think your right Chris but the melting is why i wondered if it was a damaged original, you can also see the off alignment from the back.
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:37 am

snaggletooth wrote:
cantina_patron wrote:
Thanks for the 'heads up' on the Palace Blaster AJ!

The Imperial Gunner weapon looks repro to me too Snaggletooth (very poorly molded with excess flashing along the top seam). Does that one float aswell?


Thanks for your thoughts cantina, I just checked and it does float to. You can see in the pictures that its a repo but looking side on in my hand they are getting very close with this mold and you have to look very close to see it Evil or Very Mad

I wonder whether your piece was made by the same scammers that are producing the black Palace Blaster?
With all the new repros that keep cropping up we all need to be more guarded than ever & carefully examine every piece that comes our way. At least the mass produced 90's stuff is easy to spot!
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:48 am

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cantina_patron wrote:
Thanks for the 'heads up' on the Palace Blaster AJ!

The Imperial Gunner weapon looks repro to me too Snaggletooth (very poorly molded with excess flashing along the top seam). Does that one float aswell?


Thanks for your thoughts cantina, I just checked and it does float to. You can see in the pictures that its a repo but looking side on in my hand they are getting very close with this mold and you have to look very close to see it Evil or Very Mad

I wonder whether your piece was made by the same scammers that are producing the black Palace Blaster?
With all the new repros that keep cropping up we all need to be more guarded than ever & carefully examine every piece that comes our way. At least the mass produced 90's stuff is easy to spot!

My thoughts exactly mate, I think the pictures on the gunnery are the only way to check out what we got and the float test is not worth the effort anymore with these new repos coming to the market.
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:11 am

snaggletooth wrote:

My thoughts exactly mate, I think the pictures on the gunnery are the only way to check out what we got and the float test is not worth the effort anymore with these new repos coming to the market.

I certainly agree that the float test is becoming less reliable, & that you need to examine the finer details of the molding. I tend to use a hand lense with a X10 magnification & compare with legit examples from my childhood collection as well as the pics on TIG.
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:23 am

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snaggletooth wrote:

My thoughts exactly mate, I think the pictures on the gunnery are the only way to check out what we got and the float test is not worth the effort anymore with these new repos coming to the market.

I certainly agree that the float test is becoming less reliable, & that you need to examine the finer details of the molding. I tend to use a hand lense with a X10 magnification & compare with legit examples from my childhood collection as well as the pics on TIG.

Thats another good way of doing it but I sold my CH figs Crying or Very sad I've been meaning to get one of those lenses and a black(or is it back) lights for a while now.
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:43 am

snaggletooth wrote:

Thats another good way of doing it but I sold my CH figs Crying or Very sad I've been meaning to get one of those lenses and a black(or is it back) lights for a while now.

It's a black light, they may still be available in specialist pet shops as they used to be used to provide an appropriate source of ultra violet light for reptiles & marine invertebrates. I believe that mini hand held units were also produced for checking UK bank notes. I'm not sure how available they are now, but a search on the net may provide a cheap source for one, as they used to be pretty expensive.

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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:15 pm

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snaggletooth wrote:

Thats another good way of doing it but I sold my CH figs Crying or Very sad I've been meaning to get one of those lenses and a black(or is it back) lights for a while now.

It's a black light, they may still be available in specialist pet shops as they used to be used to provide an appropriate source of ultra violet light for reptiles & marine invertebrates. I believe that mini hand held units were also produced for checking UK bank notes. I'm not sure how available they are now, but a search on the net may provide a cheap source for one, as they used to be pretty expensive.

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Thanks, I'll check them out
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:17 pm

Your right. With the way they are making repros now, its getting very hard to spot them from the originals. They had plenty of time to perfect their craft since they first popped on the scene. Makes it worth while to buy only from someone you can trust anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:27 pm

Just keep in mind the float test is the only way I can tell the 'new repro" Amanaman staff & yoda snake. The fakes float in this case.
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:53 am

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Just keep in mind the float test is the only way I can tell the 'new repro" Amanaman staff & yoda snake. The fakes float in this case.

Is there no differences by sight? I wonder how log before there is a sinking version.
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:35 am

Even next to each other they are very difficult to tell apart, without a side by side picture I'd say close to impossible:
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t1229-reproduction-amanaman-staff
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:18 am

Agreed, the new Amanaman staff is very accurate & the float test is the only reliabe way to identify them. I have seen some dealers at toy fairs with boxes of them, so there are a lot about!
I havn't seen the new Yoda snake in person though.
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:36 am

Its a close one that, Its going to get tougher to ID these repos soon and you cant even reply on AFA for authenticity these days.
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:40 am


This is so sad with all those repro weapons, wish they would stop produce them.

But as long there is people to buy them then they will also produce them :crying:
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:07 pm

The gun in the main post, does it fail the drop test?

This is my repro haul during the years of collecting. Doesn't look like it but it's probably 130 repros in there.
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:15 pm

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This is my repro haul during the years of collecting. Doesn't look like it but it's probably 130 repros in there.

I've also got quite a few here that I keep meaning to get pictures of, when I do get round to it I'll start a new thread as there's a load of new ones out there that are not on the gunnary yet and would be great if they where added.
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:39 pm

If either of you have repros not identified on TIG, Im sure one of the mods will be happy to add any additional info /pictures you have.
So far I have only had 8 or 9 repro weapons in my hands, but compared to those mass produced in the '90's, these new ones can definately be harder to spot!
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:06 pm

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If either of you have repros not identified on TIG, Im sure one of the mods will be happy to add any additional info /pictures you have.
So far I have only had 8 or 9 repro weapons in my hands, but compared to those mass produced in the '90's, these new ones can definately be harder to spot!

Yeah sure.
Got a bit much to do right now though so don't have time to go through and photo them at moment.
I think most in my bag are the 90s crap.

I'm not very happy about the new ones that get hard to id.
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE BLACK PALACE BLASTERS   Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:22 pm

Rawlin wrote:

I'm not very happy about the new ones that get hard to id.

I agree with you there!
The trouble is as we find new ways to identify the repros, the scammers will use the information to improve their production (provided there is a profit in it).
I'm certainly glad I'm not just starting out in this hobby!
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