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Steve, do you have the collect all 41 display, or perhaps some high res pics of it?  Would look good to have that with these figures.  How were you able to confirm these are the ones from that display?  I read over on rs a bit about it with the power droid and a mark in the white band around it, but thought maybe you could share some of that here.

These are great pieces to get, but something like this would have to come with 100% trustworthy provenance to be sure it was the same ones used at the time.

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Well, I agree. Having pieces like these take having 100% provenance. I was able to match some extra things on the Power Droid, that IMO make it a match. Because he was played with by the photographers kid, I looked at everything. The label on the PD was scratched from playing. But the yellow box exists. The scheme/pattern in the yellow box is slightly different from all the production PD's I have and matches the display. There are also 2 abnormalities with the body, that are non-production and is a match between the PD sample and the display. The Chewwy's bandolier is an absolute 100% match. Again, I spent quite a bit of time on this and can confirm both are matches....
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Also these pieces came from the original photographer of the display, whom signed the COA.... so the provenance is concrete.
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A couple new additions on page 1
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Steve, those are some fantastic new additions. :clap: bow
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Thanks Clint. I appreciate it : )
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Very neat to see the differences in the photo sample jawa to the ep jawa. The coo appears to be different which makes sense if this one was used for later cardbacks. I notice on the cardback picture what appears to be something white right around the barrel of the gun, is that also on the gun still or was that most likely some sort of particulate that just happened to get in the pic? Are the hands also hand painted on the photo sample? Can't imagine that much overspray. Very neat pieces you added.

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Bryan, hi. The Jawa is coming this week. So I will check on that white area. I'm not sure if it is a reflection or not? One question I had when I purchased it, was if the cape and blaster are the ones used in photography also. I am getting this from Tom, but was assured everything is the same. I looked pretty close at the cape and I'm quite sure that is the same also. I'll let ya know on the blaster though, if that is debris, or if it was a reflection : ) The face (black) and hands (black) appear to be hand painted also, as are the eyes. But I can say more, when it is in hand : )
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Steve, somehow I completely skipped over the large vinyl piece. To much eye candy I guess. Anyway, I read the comment on rs about how it was found, but am curious have you found a cape that matches it exactly? The cuts out of it look odd shaped so I assume that if a cape were cut out of it they would then have to be trimmed to make the cape exactly, but if it was for a proto piece they might not have trimmed it meaning the cape could match up exactly. Just curious if the missing pieces have turned up on early proto bens or jawas.

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Hi Bryan. There are 2 types of pre-production vinyls that were used on Ben and Jawa, to my knowledge. And yes, I found a first shot Jawa, and first shot Ben, that use the exact same material as what I have. They are pictured below. They are both graded and authentic examples, that were seen and approved by Tom Derby. So it is possible these 2 capes were cut from the same material I have, or from another example of the same material I have. : )
I want to point out, in the find I got my vinyl material from, a full Jawa cape was found, from the same material, and a Ben cape was found (minus the arm holes).... so that was proof also, that it was being used for both Ben and Jawa.
Jawa first shot, graded and authenticated in Chris Prince's collection. Same material as mine.
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Ben first shot, graded and authenticated in Chris Prince's collection. Same material as mine.
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My vinyl material.... The picture is a little dark, but the color and texture are a match to Chris's pieces above.
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And a close up of the texture on my material....
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The other Ben cut cape, found with my material, minus the arm holes....
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The other Jawa cape, found with my material.....
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Also.... 1 more point. The capes that were cut out of this material, were all done, by hand. In this find was an actual Template. It was on paper, but it showed a template labeling each character, and an outline for their size cape. That template was sold to Mattias, and is just awesome. I assume a chunk would be cut out of the material, and then more carefully cut down, using the template. That is why you may see some odd shapes, cut out of mine, and not perfect capes : ) Hope these answers all help. Page 19 explains finding other examples of known prototypes, that used the material I have : )
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That is awesome that a piece of the vinyl, actual hand cut capes, and the template were all together after all this time. Kind of sad to see them split up as they each are a piece of the larger whole picture of the vinyl capes story from preproduction to product in, But glad that if they were to be split they went into collections where they will be treasured and appreciated.

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Well, that's the hard part. To make several people happy, people with focuses, certain items went to certain runs. I am thankful to have the opportunity to own the vinyl material. My son and I drove hundreds of miles, down to Cincinnati, to buy it. One other major reason that I drove so far, besides the obvious, of having it in my collection, is that there is no chance this material will ever get cut down, into individual capes.
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just a really cool piece of history
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Thank you : )
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Only just catching up with this Steve. Congrats on some great historical pieces once again and thanks for uploading the pics here. It's reassuring to know the find has gone to responsible and ethical collectors. As well as his painted face, that Jawa has pretty distinctive features with his little white beauty mark. Be interesting if you can ID the same blaster - and if any additional photos show up with the same Jawa.

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cheers
I'm pretty stoked about being able to obtain that vinyl. The other owners, as far as I know are Mattias. He got the Leia vinyl and the template. So absolutely in good hands there.
As far as the photo sample Jawa. I have all kinds of photography with him being used in. The photos were supplied to me by Kim Simmons. I have the 65, 79 and 92 (POTF) backs. I think the 77 used him too. I also have some figure case inserts photography, that he was used in. I didn't want to upload all the photos, just because of how many I have.... but they are pretty neat. Maybe later I could upload a couple more, if you'd like to see some additional photography, that he was used in : )
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Here is a couple more photo's showing the photo sample Jawa. First is one of the collector case inserts that he is used on (I believe Vader case), and then the 92 POTF card back photo.
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@The_Dark_Artist wrote:
Here is a couple more photo's showing the photo sample Jawa. First is one of the collector case inserts that he is used on (I believe Vader case), and then the 92 POTF card back photo.
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We're all these shot at the same photo shoot or do you know? The last one is from page 1 which we discussed the white on the blaster, the white is still there on the case insert picture though the only difference I see is the orientation of the cape being hood up or down and slightly twisted to one side more. If taken at different times then that white is on the gun. Can't be flash I wouldn't think given that the figure wouldn't be in the exact same spot due to the cape being moved.

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Yup, I'm assuming when I get the blaster, there will be some sort of white spec on the side that has the nub. I will take a close look when it comes. Pretty sure these were shot at different times, as I have the larger shots, and there was pieces added, depending on the card backs. Plus the texture of the background, from the 79 back, is different, then the 92 back. : )
UPDATE: ha ha, as I was writing this, I decided to investigate that blaster on the nub side. I blew up on it, and low and behold, I believe I see that white spec of whatever was being photographed on the card backs and inserts. Hard to see, but I circled it on the pic I received from Tom : )
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That's great news Steve. Not that a blaster makes all the difference, but confirms that accessory so that lends credability to the cape also being the same as the pictured one. Not likely to have switched out the cape and not the blaster. Probably not a big deal to most, but neat little bit of history that these not only were used but managed to stay together all that time. Congrats. cheers

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Yeah, I was assured everything was kept together. The cape has some imperfections in the card back photos, that match the pics from Tom. So nice to have those visuals, as you stated....
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Steve, did the jawa arrive? Was it as expected?

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Hi Bryan. It did. I love it. I checked the cape over, and it is a match. I checked the blaster over and it is a match. The blaster however had some white sand in the crevice of the barrel. It fell out, but I could still see the faint signs of it there. So that wasn't a reflection, but some sort of sand, from a photo shoot. Anyways, here he is : )
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Looks awesome. Is that an acrylic case from gw acrylic turned sideways? Iain actually sent me a case and I still need to do a review of it, but I am ordering some of the larger ones so am waiting to get them first. It looks fantastic, the figure and the display. What's left on your radar? Any thing you set as goals for 2016?

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