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PostSubject: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:49 pm

hi guys is there such an item as a black caped bib fortuna has anyone seen one before or have one, or do they not exist, or maybe a prototype or first shot?



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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:17 pm

Found this about possible numbers.
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Well some of this guys info is correct the problem is he twists it for his own purposes. There are only I belive 2 known REAL Black caped bibs, both of these are either hard copies or internal first shots. There is also no doubt in my mind that the seller is giving you exactly what he says "This original Kenner Return of the Jedi Star Wars action figure (Bib Fortuna)"
The figure may be real but the cape isn't.

James

From here : http://forum.rebelscum.com/t811840/

Also, on here I found some other cool shit that should be posted up again. Not a black one in there but a whitey lol!
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t643p15-the-awesome-vintage-sw-pics-that-you-have-saved-to-your-pc-over-the-years-limelight
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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:22 am

The picture is showing a LL burgundy cape if you ask me! The colors are a bit of, but thats definatley not black!

A released black cape doesnt exist for sure!

I have no knowledge on protos!

Edited because I havent read everything probably! Sorry Josh!


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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:34 am

You'd think James would know what he is talking about though, Wolf. Not saying you're not right though, but he reckons there are two.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:27 am

i can tell you he is definitely black as the guy selling him told me himself its black not burgundy, i thought it was burgundy too at first but its definitely not.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:42 am

How many different coloured Biba's exists? There are white, black, burgundy, red, brown? Are all confirmed as legit or just a matter of discolouration?
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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:49 am

Yzerman wrote:
How many different coloured Biba's exists? There are white, black, burgundy, red, brown? Are all confirmed as legit or just a matter of discolouration?

White and red is sth proto wise and is legit.
http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=48458
http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=48409
http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=48822

I never heard of a black one but should be legit proto as well (as mentioned above)

Released legit colors:
- burgundy: LL
- brown: US realease for a certain time
- grey: standard

There is a hell of different lining colors known.



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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:22 am

& greenish LL ?
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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:41 am

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& greenish LL ?

Yeah...depend what you call main color.....I have 4 LL Bibs 3xgrey (greenish, greyish, brownish) and burgundy.

There is of course also much shades on kenner stuff!



Four last are LL. Wink

The rest is Kenner and not discolored with exception of the white/yellow cape!

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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:59 am

if this is a proto what marking should he have on his legs?
love to know. as i can investigate further then.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:05 am

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if this is a proto what marking should he have on his legs?
love to know. as i can investigate further then.

This one pictured is surely a fake IMO.

If you buy protos like that you pay a few K's. And if so you should get a ton of pictures before! And with those pictures you should contact a Proto expert!

This is nothing that just can be "found" as a bargain. Its sth you get cheated on for 99,999999%

A preproduction item has normally no markings at all, but it depends on in which production frame it was produced....so some can have leg markings.

Legmarks can be sanded off and polished (fake)!
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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:10 am

see this is the thing i know the guy and have sold him items before and its his best friend that is selling them so i have no real reason not to believe that he has had them stored away for 25yrs that would be 1987 if hes telling the truth, did they even produce those kind of fakes back then??

if of course as i said before he's not lying, but it is his best friend and he's told me that this best mate of his has wanted to sell them for years but just never got around to it.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:13 am

Marky1973 wrote:
see this is the thing i know the guy and have sold him items before and its his best friend that is selling them so i have no real reason not to believe that he has had them stored away for 25yrs that would be 1987 if hes telling the truth, did they even produce those kind of fakes back then??

if of course as i said before he's not lying, but it is his best friend and he's told me that this best mate of his has wanted to sell them for years but just never got around to it.


If you had no doubts.....why asking then how to spot??

Im just curious...
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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:16 am

everyone has doubts I'm not stupid and i know alot of you guys have a great deal of exp and knowledge, so thought i would find out for myself the link to the lot is on ebay feel free to check it out


cheers Mark

EDIT by Dr D: Link to the live ebay auction has been replaced by pictures of the auction. (see my post further down the road)

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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:22 am

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Judging by the fact that it is his childhood collection there is absolutely no way it's a legit black cape. Any that exist (I think 2) have documented history and are pre-production models. None were produced for retail.

I also never like people to make their auctions private, it's a flag IMHO.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:24 am

I get the impression that it's really about several figures and this is among them so if you plan on buying them, think of the cape as fake and buy the stuff, if it turns out legit then be happy, if it's not you wont be disappointed.
Just don't pay more then a normal bib for it. These can be colored with common cloth colorings. Maybe he did that too it when he was a kid but don't remember.
I've seen many modified figures coming from childhood collections looking like very rare ones, but turns out they are customs.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:25 am

ok buddy i will take that advice on board, if it looks to good to be true pretty much good chance it is eh lol

oh well worth a look at anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:30 am



There is also a Boba Fett with removable rocket in the lot.

Sure!


Boba Fett seems to have his rocket removed which is most probley a factor error but does come with the leaflet sent out with all fetts in 1978.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:33 am

yeah i checked that out too, its been pulled i think he tells me that his friend say's it was a baggie and was like that when it arrived, getting mega sus now ok guys this ones a dead duck lol

cheers for the advice from all of you, interesting to see what it all goes for though Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:36 am

btw: The Squid has a colar too that doesnt exist....even if the cape is discolored the collar screams: I am dyed!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:42 am

I posted a picture of a Boba that had rocket removed by force in watch out section earlier. Sounds like that's the case here as well.

Edit: Checked the auction, doesn't look like a bad deal anyway checking the other figures, unless the good stuff is touched up.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:48 am

ok bad lot the rest of the items are ok but i bet the bidding goes mental on them, at least i won't be stuck with them,
will let my friend know that his friends lot has some very suspect fakes too.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:55 am

i'm marking this alot as highly suspect with bib being one, the fett another and apparently the squid head is fake cape too, give a wide birth to this lots guys i am telling all you guys on the forum, i will be in contact with my mate and let him know his friend if you rightly say he has this friend is selling some very dodgy items.

cheers Mark

and thanks guys for all your advice. i hate fake crap!
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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:03 am

have sent him an email that says i quote

"i hate to tell you mate but i have had alot of bad feedback about the bib, the squid head and the boba fett as fakes the rocket has been puled on the boba and the other 2 bib and squid head have had there capes dyed so your friend is not a good guy at all selling them as genuine, bad stuff buddy thought I'd let you know gonna give these a serious wide birth mate and i would think about letting your friend know they are fake, if he doesn't already know that is!
you need to chat to him and mark the items mentioned as repro buddy ok, sorry to give bad news your a sound guy but your friend sounds dodgy as hell.

cheers Mark"

the rest of the items seem ok.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Cape Bib Fortuna?   Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:50 am

Rawlin wrote:
I get the impression that it's really about several figures and this is among them so if you plan on buying them, think of the cape as fake and buy the stuff, if it turns out legit then be happy, if it's not you wont be disappointed.
Excellent advice. cheers That's how I get a genuine vinyl cape jawa for a the price of a repro... What a Face
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