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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:16 am

Here is my Bubble Fett. I bought him in the UK.



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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:53 am

Hi Patrick, thanks for sharing those pics.

+ on your way. Very Happy


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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:54 am

We have seen pics of different Bubble Fetts in the past week. The chance that they all have a Spanish origin is very small.

So my best guess at the moment is that these bubbles are not a POCH characteristic.
As AJ already mentioned, these small bubbles just seem to occur sometimes on random places on the limbs. Maybe it has something to do with the process conditions when the limbs were cast? (type of plastic used, cooling off too slow/fast?,....)

Sofar the bubbles seem to be linked with COO #2, I have no clue why? scratch

Any other thoughts?



Anyway, we probably will have to look for other traits (meltmarks, painting, welding cracks) when looking for a POCH Boba fett. To be continued....
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:57 am

To be honest:

I never saw bubbles in the plastic on any POCH figure!

What I personally described in my guide as a charateristic are bubbles in the paint!

http://swspaceclub.com/wbobafett/poch/characteristics/



In generell bubbles in the plastic can be from a damaged/not cleaned mold or sth went wrong while injection. So far I never noticed this problem on Poch figures!
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:44 am



Hey Wolff,

I was aware that bubbles in the paint are a specific POCH charactersitic (thanks to your guide Cool ).

I was just wondering whether it could be extended to bubbles in the plastic as well. Apparently not.

Would be great to have pics of a POCH Fett....
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:46 am

@Dr Dengar wrote:


Would be great to have pics of a POCH Fett....

I agree....(means I have non...sorry)
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:33 am

@wbobafett wrote:
To be honest:

I never saw bubbles in the plastic on any POCH figure!

What I personally described in my guide as a charateristic are bubbles in the paint!

http://swspaceclub.com/wbobafett/poch/characteristics/



In generell bubbles in the plastic can be from a damaged/not cleaned mold or sth went wrong while injection. So far I never noticed this problem on Poch figures!

I guess you have to see more Poch figures Wink

-Poch 3po, two different figures with the exact bubbles on head, they also have melt marks on back

a close up...


-One of my Poch IG minor variant, melt mark and bubbles on plastic...


Its difficult to see a Poch variant which contain most of the Poch carasteristics but here you are one:
-Poch AT-AT driver red emblems variant with melt mark on right leg(as usual on the Poch Ben),Bubbles on white paint...



...and bubbles on plastic...



-Poch Han Solo, melt marks and bubbles on plastic





i have many more of those examples...

The bubbles on the paint and in the plastic ARE NOT a Poch exclusive caracteristic IMHO, BUT are very usual.
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:53 am

you think the ones on 3PO are in the plastic?? I have noticed same bubbles on other chromed figures or parts, but never thought its from the plastic scratch scratch


and forgot the ATAT driver....yeah...even PBP version has those often :/
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:07 am

Yeah Wolff, i think that the 3po bubbles are on the plastic, i think is near to imposdible that the same bubbles (due to bad paint job) were loccated in the same place in 2,3 or more figures which is the case, there are bubbles also on some poch death squad commanders If my memory serve me Well...
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:07 pm

@Dr Dengar wrote:
We have seen pics of different Bubble Fetts in the past week. The chance that they all have a Spanish origin is very small.

So my best guess at the moment is that these bubbles are not a POCH characteristic.
As AJ already mentioned, these small bubbles just seem to occur sometimes on random places on the limbs. Maybe it has something to do with the process conditions when the limbs were cast? (type of plastic used, cooling off too slow/fast?,....)

Sofar the bubbles seem to be linked with COO #2, I have no clue why? scratch

Any other thoughts?



Anyway, we probably will have to look for other traits (meltmarks, painting, welding cracks) when looking for a POCH Boba fett. To be continued....

In the injection molding process bubbles form when the injection temperature is too high, when there's too much moisture in the material or when the cooling rate isn't uniform .
Melt marks or "ejector marks" can appear when the ejection force is set too high or by removing the part from the mold before it has properly cooled down. Dropping it on a surface while still hot or using a tool to remove the part from the mold will leave a mark.
Looks like where ever the bubble fett was produced they had some problems finding the correct setting for their injection molding machine.
This is not the only figure where production flaws match up with a certain coo, to this day every discolored jawa i have seen has a#1 or #2 coo and i can only find them in 2 countries.
I got my fett from a seller in holland, crealkilla and pattejan got theirs in the Uk and Dr. D found his in Spain, has anybody got an example from the US or is this a strictly european production flaw?
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:35 am

@javiswspain wrote:
Yeah Wolff, i think that the 3po bubbles are on the plastic, i think is near to imposdible that the same bubbles (due to bad paint job) were loccated in the same place in 2,3 or more figures which is the case......
hmmm..I see...totally makes sense!

On the 3PO we can see (because the bubbles are really in the same place) that this is a steel-mold problem. If it would be from injection it would be in random places. So (at least sometimes) it is from the steel-mold (cheap copy??)
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:46 am

Below some pics of a Bossk figure which I bought from Spain recently, together with a Kenner figure for comparison.
Left: Kenner figure (COO#2). Right: Figure from Spain (COO #1).










Typical for this figure:
  • COO#1
  • Greenish limbs (not so green as the POCH Bossk BTW). I am 99% sure this is because of discolouration, as Bossk's jumpsuit changed to a very pale yellow when comparing the limbs to the body.
  • Small chest cross
  • Typical PBP smell


Might this be a figure which was produced in Spain?

Or maybe it was just distributed in Spain? scratch
I have recently seen the same discoloured figure in a Spanish childhood collection. See pic below.
The guy told me this was the Bossk figure which he obtained with a PBP mail away. (Dengar/Bossk mail away).



Any thoughts?






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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:10 am

Below some pics of a 3-line C-3PO figure which I bought from Spain recently.













You can obviously see signs of bad sonic welding. The figure also has small bubbles on the head, though a bit different pattern compared to Javi's C-3POs.
I checked briefly for any melt marks but haven't found any sofar. But I have to admit it is difficult to spot them on such a shiny golden background.


Compared to a Kenner 3-line C-3PO (left), this figure from Spain clearly has a 'warmer', more reddish gold paint.
I have another figure from Spain with the same characteristics, but could not find him this afternoon for making comparison pics. Crying or Very sad





Just wondering, are we looking at a POCH C-3PO here? scratch




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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:44 am

Same COO, same apperance (greenish limbs, pale yellow jumpsuit on the limbs), also from Spain.





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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:05 am

Great pics., StarWizz! Thx! Very Happy

Who has the same type of Bossk in his collection?

And from where?
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:30 pm

Every brown headed Bossk with this coo has the same limbs Wink
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:49 pm

@wbobafett wrote:
Every brown headed Bossk with this coo has the same limbs Wink

OK that is good to know. Thanks! Very Happy

Problem is that I don't have any other COO#1 in my collection to compare to.

AJ, could you check your Bossk COO#1 pls?
The head looks brown. How about the limbs? Greenish and pale yellow like my and StarWizz' Bossk? I am not sure when looking at the pic.

@aussiejames wrote:
#1 , #2, #3, #4, #5

Taken from: http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t4177-figure-of-the-week-thread-bossk
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:34 pm


#1, 2x #2s & #3

#1- orange/brown head
#2s green heads- different coloured limbs & size of chest cross
#3 - orange head, faded limbs


different limbs on one figure geek


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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:39 am

Thanks for making a new pic, AJ! Very Happy

To me it seems your COO#1 has faded limbs as well, like the three Bossks figures which were obtained from Spain. Though in your figure, the fading is maybe less pronounced and the chest cross is bigger.

What do you think? Is it the same figure?

If so and supposing your figure did not come from Spain, this figure might just have been imported by PBP (like for instance the Taiwan Madine or ERG), explaining why it pops up in Spain as well.
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:25 pm

This is my first post, so first of all hello to everyone.
I´m from Spain. Though I'm not focused on collecting figures variations I have a nice POCH/PBP figures collection.
Here you have a photo of two of them. Luke Skywalker and Leia. The Luke figure is one of my favourites.
Hope you enjoy.





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PostSubject: THE POCH/PBP DISCUSSION THREAD   Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:57 am

Hi all,

Picked this luke bespin up the other day, I thought it was a PBP figure....he has COO #4, dark brown boots and pale hands but has the same kind of hair colour as the common palitoy no coo luke #6.

The only other similar pix I find are blond haired. Even on General Kahns AWESOME 25 luke bespin combination chart it doesn't have the same hair??

Any ideas? It's the fig on the left in first pic, fig on the right is common palitoy no coo.
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:13 am

@javitc wrote:
This is my first post, so first of all hello to everyone.
I´m from Spain. Though I'm not focused on collecting figures variations I have a nice POCH/PBP figures collection.
Here you have a photo of two of them. Luke Skywalker and Leia. The Luke figure is one of my favourites.
Hope you enjoy.



Wellcome to TIG Javi !!!Hope you enjoy!!
Btw, very nice poch figures you have there!!
Cheers!!
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:37 am


welcome to TIG, Javi!!

Great that you decided to chime in. Very Happy

And some great POCH figures you have there! Hope to see more of your collection in the future.

And I am also looking forward to your contributions in this thread. We need more Spanish guys here! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:31 am

Thank you !!! Smile
I´m happy you enjoy with the photo. When I have a little time, I will post another photos of my collection. I´ll try to contribuite in this Thread.

It's a bit sad that there are so few people interested in these POCH figures here, in Spain, with some exceptions (javiswspain).

Hi, Javi, nice to talk with you again ¿Como te va?.
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:35 pm

Can this be a good spot to ask about this luke figure i found recently?

I put it up in another thread but Dr Dengar thought i should post it here too.

If i remember correct i achive it in a lot at swedish "ebay" tradera



No meltmarks but the coo and the colours of the hands are the same that poch lukes seems to have Rolling Eyes
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