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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:34 am

I know where Luke 'Jedi' came from Razz

Serket's Luke Bespin is unusual.
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:42 am


lol! I had missed Serket's post!!



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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:14 pm

Umm whats with the POCH Bossk on eBay that isnt a POCH?
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:30 am

@olisuds wrote:
Umm whats with the POCH Bossk on eBay that isnt a POCH?

The figure on ebay is different compared to the POCH "Toxic Green Limbs" Bossk described by Wolff. The Bossk on ebay has COO#1 instead of COO#3, and his limbs are greenish but not that toxic green.

http://swspaceclub.com/wbobafett/poch/poch-variants/bossk/

Bossk on ebay.



To me the Bossk on ebay looks like the same figure currently under investigation in this thread (see pics below). I am not sure what to think about it yet. We need further proof.



Three Bossks bought from Spain (taken from this thread).
In comparison shots the Bossk on the right is from Spain (COO#1), the figure on the left is a Kenner Bossk having a different COO (COO#2).






FACTS for this figure:

  • COO#1
  • Greenish limbs. I am 99% sure this green colour is due to discolouration, as Bossk's jumpsuit also changed to a very pale yellow when comparing the limbs to the body. Maybe the plastic of the limbs increased the degradation of pigments in the paint? scratch
  • Small chest cross
  • Typical PBP smell
  • Figure pops up in Spanish childhood collections and therefore it seems very likely that it was available in Spain during the 80s (I know of the Spanish origin of the three figures in this thread, and another one, and now this figure on ebay from a Spanish seller)



REMARKS:
  • The fact that the figure was available in Spain doesn't automatically mean it is a PBP figure. For instance, you can also find Taiwan Madines, Bikerscouts and ERGs in Spanish childhood collections which were imported by PBP and put on their cards.
  • My figure doesn't have any POCH traits (meltmarks, bad welding, plastic extrusions). So I doubt whether it is an early POCH figure. Maybe a transition figure, marking the stage from early POCH (toxic limbs) to late PBP (fat lips)? Just brainstorming here. Very Happy


I bought John's Kenner Bossk having COO #1 yesterday. Once the figure arrives I will make comparison shots with his COO brother from Spain.
In case they are the same, the Bossk from Spain is propably just an imported figure.
When they are different things are getting interesting....

Hope this helps.

To be continued. Very Happy


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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:03 am

3-line COO. Going from left to right: 1: Kenner, 2-4: Figures bought from Spain.


3-line COO. Going from left to right: 1: Kenner, 2-4: Figures bought from Spain.


The figures from Spain have:
- a 'warmer', more reddish gold paint (or maybe the used varnish yellowed more) : 2,3 and 4.
- small bubbles on the head: 2,3, and 4.
- weldng cracks: figure 2,3

Figure 2 is the same as on page 8 of this thread.

Still wondering what we are looking at here...
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:19 pm

here is a picture of my boosks the right one is coo#1

i add a picture of my 32-back moc too

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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:51 pm

Umm... A $911 POCH Fett on Ebay now... What is this world coming too doh unsure popcorn rofl
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:23 pm

@The_Dark_Artist wrote:
Umm... A $911 POCH Fett on Ebay now... What is this world coming too doh unsure popcorn rofl

Like!!!! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:50 pm

@The_Dark_Artist wrote:
Umm... A $911 POCH Fett on Ebay now... What is this world coming too doh unsure popcorn rofl

$911 for a POCH Fett, that's nothing!!

I paid four times more for my uber rare POCH green limbs Bossk fish head variant.



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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:43 pm

That's a beauty Marco : )
Seriously, I have a ton of respect for the variant hunters. I consider myself a novice in training. I also understand how rare some of these figures are. But some of the prices I have seen on some of the POCH/PBP figures lately have been EXTREMELY high. On the other hand I have seen sellers with very modest/respectable prices also (via Lee and Kenneth)... So what gives? BUT when I see a "POCH Fett" for $911, I have to ask if it is a prototype at that price? It's like the Spanish Circus has come to town... There is a lot of clowns running around! They are all sitting in the front row and laughing their asses off at us...
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:19 am

@The_Dark_Artist wrote:
That's a beauty Marco : )
)... So what gives? BUT when I see a "POCH Fett" for $911, I have to ask if it is a prototype at that price? ..

...or an Uzay R2, or Headman without accessories, TT Yoda on card, LL burgundy cape together with LL Jawa, Toltoys Jawa AFA graded, ....etc

(on the other hand only three HK Snaggletooth AFA U90 Wink.....the world has become crazy...)

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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:53 am

That POCH Fett on Ebay is Large Hong Kong version. Whereas I knew a guy who have a POCH Fett too but his is Small Hong Kong version.

So is there 2 version for POCH Fett out there scratch
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:32 am

The question that should be asked is WTF is a POCH Fett???

Some Hong Kong figure that some Spanish kid played with & left in the sun on a hot surface left some imprints on the back & by magic here you go I have a $1000 figure.

Seriously this is getting beyond a joke. Is there any information online in regards to this figure ? People can spend there money on whatever you want but .............. :I am stupid:
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:45 am


The sooner we have a complete POCH/PBP guide (i realise there is alot of work to do) the sooner we can help stop these eBay bandits.

I must admit i'd love to add a few POCH figures to my collection, but without having enough knowledge on these variants i'm scared to part with my cash!

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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:05 am

@crealkilla wrote:

So is there 2 version for POCH Fett out there scratch

I simply don't know, I wish I did.

The reason to set up this thread was to get a better understanding of POCH/PBP figures with the help of community input. Right now we are still lacking behind. Don't worry we will catch up. Very Happy

I posted pics of a Fett with a small (c) HK COO two weeks ago. I thought he might be POCH, cause of the colour differences, some marks, and small bubbles. From the posted pics of other "Bubble Fetts" we learned that at least these bubbles are not POCH characteristics. But maybe the other characteristics (colour scheme, melt marks) still are. We make small baby steps here, but that's OK, nobody is in a hurry.

I expect to receive a similar “Bubble Fet” from Spain in my mail box within the next few days. He has clear melt marks on the back, bubbles and a very sloppy paint job. I will compare him to my other, maybe we can draw some conclusions from it and make one more little step.

I also saw the POCH Fett on ebay. I hadn’t noticed it had the big (c) HK COO, till you mentioned so. So who knows maybe there are indeed two Fett POCHs are around? The differences to a Kenner Fett seem to be very subtle here.
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:21 am

@aussiejames wrote:
The question that should be asked is WTF is a POCH Fett???

Some Hong Kong figure that some Spanish kid played with & left in the sun on a hot surface left some imprints on the back & by magic here you go I have a $1000 figure.

Seriously this is getting beyond a joke. Is there any information online in regards to this figure ? People can spend there money on whatever you want but .............. :I am stupid:


I agree...and as long as no carded one shows up (....yes...there not even ONE carded known to exist!), nothing can be said for sure....I will spend my money surely more wise Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:26 am

@The_Dark_Artist wrote:
That's a beauty Marco : )
Seriously, I have a ton of respect for the variant hunters. I consider myself a novice in training. I also understand how rare some of these figures are. But some of the prices I have seen on some of the POCH/PBP figures lately have been EXTREMELY high. On the other hand I have seen sellers with very modest/respectable prices also (via Lee and Kenneth)... So what gives? BUT when I see a "POCH Fett" for $911, I have to ask if it is a prototype at that price? It's like the Spanish Circus has come to town... There is a lot of clowns running around! They are all sitting in the front row and laughing their asses off at us...

It's not the price I've got a problem with. There are rare variants that have cost more than $900 (removable rocket Fetts, TT Jawa, OH Luke's back in the day, Kenneth's POCH Chewbacca). I just have an issue with Spanish sellers labelling a normal looking figure PBP or POCH without any significant reason other than it came from Spain! Madness! 

Anyone know who the seller is of these so called "POCH" figures!
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:34 am

@olisuds wrote:
Anyone know who the seller is of these so called "POCH" figures!
If you click the sellers name you'll notice the 'changed name' icon next to 831 Wink

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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:04 am

@aussiejames wrote:
@olisuds wrote:
Anyone know who the seller is of these so called "POCH" figures!
If you click the sellers name you'll notice the 'changed name' icon next to 831 Wink


The game-SW!!! Might have known. I notice it's his 5th ID change in 5 years. Not to mention the completely new account. He really doesn't do himself any favours Smile
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:17 am

What's the history behind this seller?

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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:43 am

@walkie wrote:
What's the history behind this seller?

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t3930-ebay-scammer-thegame-sw

You posted in the thread on him! Smile

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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:51 pm

Yea, I figured it was him after seeing "From Spain" and "Ultra RARE" after ever figure for sale...
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:11 pm

It's not the price I've got a problem with. There are rare variants that have cost more than $900 (removable rocket Fetts, TT Jawa, OH Luke's back in the day, Kenneth's POCH Chewbacca).

Not entirely correct regarding my spare Poch Chewie with black pouch. The text next to Chewie said: "Euro 1.000 or best offer". Oli, You don't seriuously believe, that I got Euro 1.000 for it do you? Wink LOL! Would however have been nice with a 1.000 Euro extra to spend on Christmas presents here in December... I just wanted the best possible price for the Chewie, that's it! Besides that I had much difficulties determibing a price, since it's the first Poch Chewie to be sold in a public sw forum to my knowledge. And the price I'll get in the end, is faaaaaaar from the Euro 1.000 mark to be quite honest... Which is actually a very good thing for vintage variant collecting in my opinion.



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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:06 pm

Unfortunately you guys out there that are happy to pay these crazy prices for poch figures only makes sellers
put high prices on them. If people are paying the big money then sellers are having the last laugh.

I don't blame the sellers - they can put whatever price they want on these figures but these ridiculous amounts that have
been shelled out in the last 18 months for poch figures really is beyond me Rolling Eyes

And as for these silly amounts for figures from spain that have a mark on the arse/back/leg and are claimed to be ULTRA RARE POCH
variants with absolutely no back up or proof again is beyond me. I would want to see at least 3 moc examples of the same figure before
i shelled out big bucks on only a 'maybe' figure.

I'm not saying there isn't cool and rare known stuff out there (black pouch chewie for example) and people can pay or sell for whatever they want
but it is a crazy period for variant collecting because of poch figures at the moment and collectors are just getting priced out of the variant
market because of this huge surge in the last couple of years. I am seriously thinking about going back to moc (i could even collect palitoy moc
for less than loose poch in some cases)

Marco, i hope your poch guide continues to grow and get more info and knowledge out there with the help of the big poch collectors (come on you guys
with the multiples of the same spanish/poch bought figures)

rant over Evil or Very Mad Wink Razz






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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:44 pm

Bravo, i'm a variant collector too and recently my pocket has begun to hurt.

I remember buying a pair of Glasslite C-3PO & R2-D2 figures in 2006 and paying £16 including shipping from Brazil. A C-3PO alone fetches £80-£90 on it's own nowadays on eBAY.

Dare I say what happens when the bubble bursts?

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