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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:34 pm

Ah, see... that's what I was looking for! http://swspaceclub.com/wbobafett/poch/poch-variants/
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:44 pm

@billcable wrote:
Ah, see... that's what I was looking for! http://swspaceclub.com/wbobafett/poch/poch-variants/


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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:59 pm

Yeah and I'm taking a lot of your very limited spare time with sending Poch pics all the time.. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:22 pm

@Kenneth_B wrote:
Yeah and I'm taking a lot of your very limited spare time with sending Poch pics all the time.. Wink

you have email btw Wink
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:56 am

Has JC had a chance to take a better picture of the MOC Leia Hoth? There seems to be 2 possible figures?? Smooth vs detailed chest emblem.
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:19 pm

@aussiejames wrote:
Has JC had a chance to take a better picture of the MOC Leia Hoth? There seems to be 2 possible figures?? Smooth vs detailed chest emblem.

I noticed that too! No matter what JC only has/had one MOC. So its stays a riddle to me why both molds seem to have appeared. (and JC ones has smooth emblem for sure btw)


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I have seen:
- 3x green eyebrows...the rest head the other head scuplt with normal paint!
- 4x smooth emblem
- 6x detailed emblem

Heads are mixed up on those!

Two molds or mixed up parts??
Well we have two versions on other Poch figures too......though??

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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:24 am

Hey All,
I acquired this figure a few months ago & have been meaning to ask if this was a Poch figure or not. The torso has melt marks & the stripe on the emblem is smaller but the legs don't seem to match up with other versions I have seen. Could it just be mixed up parts? Any help would be appreciated Very Happy Thanks!

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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:51 am

As you know Pat it's the wrong COO. Can you get a comparison picture with the Kenner version with the 'correct' COO for the POCH variant. That way we can compare arm colours & his white crutch Embarassed
I have melt marks on a Luke Bespin ( LL/PBP version so I think this trait alone is not signifcant ?)
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:23 pm

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There are several characteristics which can be seen on most of the Poch figures. These characteristics can of course also appear on other figures which are not produced in Spain. It’s important for me to stress that not every figure with dents, melt-marks,] “dripped” paint or faded/discolored hands is assumed to be a POCH variant. Poch figures are rare and it’s very unusual and nearly impossible to find those outside of Spain. The characteristics presented here do actually help identifying Poch figures and seem to be a part of the way Poch/PBP produced his toys in the early 80’s.

http://swspaceclub.com/wbobafett/poch/characteristics/

Please have in mind that all signs of poor quality of course can also appear in other factories. These are no identifications signs for 100%...just signs of poor quality! Wink

Where have you purchased it?
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:07 pm

Pat, i really would love to know where did you bought that RS Hoth?? scratch
Hey lads,you have to open your mind when it comes to PBP/POCH loose figures , i am sure that many "unknown" figures will flow in the future Wink
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:55 am

Hey guys,
Sorry for the delay & many thanks for the input! This figure came from Germany but I know the seller buys/sells on eBay so I don't where it originated. After reading Wolff's amazing Poch guide & learning about the mixed parts I just had to ask! I didn't buy it as a Poch figure or anything special, I noticed the melt marks on the auction picture & thought maybe it's something, maybe not. I definitely wanted to ask to see if it helped you guys at all. Thanks again for the input!
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:41 am

I would like to discuss a Han Solo with the same COO as the PBP Han. It´s actually not a PBP Variant, but I think this is the best thread to talk about it.
I just read the "new aquisitions" thread in Joe´s Trilogo Forum. Someone recently bought a Trilogo small blister Han Solo and I noticed the card contained the same strange Han Solo I bought 2 years ago. Unfortunatley my blister fall apart during shipping, finally I had the chance to have close look the figure. I haven´t seen any further of this variant during the last 2 years. Seems to be it is a very rare variant, but maybe you variant collectors could tell my I´m probably wrong.
This is the Han Solo I bought 2 years ago.

Here´s a comparison shot of the Hans with PBP COO I got.

1. no COO PBP Han Solo...only released on spanish ROTJ PBP cards
2. no COO PBP/Poch Han Solo...only released on late spanish ESB Poch cards
3. no COO EU variant...probably only released on Trilogo small blister cards.
4. no COO EU variant, released on ESB 45 Palitoy and ESB 45 German General Mills cards.
Number 3. from the Trilogo small blister card has got an unique face paint...also his face is very bright.
Do you know this variant? How many of you variant collectors do have this variant?
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:40 pm

Here you are the figures i have found in Spain so far:



1,2 & 3 Three different paint job styles on faces, "bronceated"Lili ledy style faces PBP Han´s
4 pale face PBP Han
5 & 6 Pink hands/Necks PBP Han´s( Two variants: DarK pink & light pink)
7 General Mills German Han( the same figure as # 6 but with lighter skin colour)

My number 5 seems to have the same paint job on eyes and eyebrows as your number 3 Han...I have documented only two examples of my # 5



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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:16 pm

Sorry Javi...but I think that´s a different figure.
Your figures face isn´t bright enough and the pupils and eye brows are too large...also the hand color doesn´t match. Your number 5 has definatley pink hands.

I just asked the guy whith the small blister han, if he would be so kind sending me some close-up shots of the figures face.



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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:33 pm

Yeah , i know that is not the same figure, i was talking about the face's paint Job only,to me looks the same its just that due to the slight different size of my pict...
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:34 am

I assume this is the General Mills/Palitoy version?
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:50 pm

Yes...that is definately the variant found on PAL/GM GM cards.
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:48 pm



Just curious what your thoughts are about that Spanish FX-7.


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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:26 pm

My sample is sonic unwelded....I have to check it as soon as I have unpacked my collection again, but I dont think there is anything different inside the little fellar what would make him sound different....funny but an accident I guess!

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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:13 pm



Yeah maybe, an error, a piece of wrongly moulded plastic on the inside, which causes this figure to click... scratch

An all new mould is very unlikely.

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PostSubject: POCH STAR DESTROYER COMMANDER   Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:37 am

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STAR DESTROYER COMMANDER




COO guide for Star Destoyer Commander


NOTES:
- COO #3 is shared by POCH and Kenner (POCH Era figure).


COO #3: POCH ERA

In the pictures below a POCH Star Destroyer Commander is compared to a Kenner figure sharing the same COO #3.

Star Destroyer Commander COO #3: Kenner (left), POCH (right).


Star Destroyer Commander COO #3: Kenner (left), POCH (right).


Star Destroyer Commander COO #3: Kenner (left), POCH (right).


Star Destroyer Commander COO #3: Kenner (left), POCH (right).


Star Destroyer Commander COO #3: Kenner (left), POCH (right).


Star Destroyer Commander COO #3: Kenner (left), POCH (right).



DIFFERENCES:
The differences between the two figures are subtle. Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the POCH Star Destroyer Commander has:
- a more pinkish face .
- thicker paint apps for the eyes and eye brows.
- an unique emblem composed of a paler blue and a more vibrant red bar.
- In addition - as mentioned on Wolff's site - the red bar of the POCH emblem was applied on top of the blue bar. In the Kenner figure this is the other way around.






Source: http://www.starwarsspanishstuff.info


ACCESSORIES

GUN

The POCH Star Destroyer Commander came with a black Imperial blaster.


REMARK

You can read more about the POCH Star Destroyer Commander on Wolff's great site: http://swspaceclub.com/wbobafett/poch/poch-variants/death-squad-commander/





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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:36 pm

overall same results as my research!!! That is great!!!

Seconds me and I love that!! What a Face
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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:52 pm

Thanks Wolff.

The figure which you describe on your site and the figure here, look almost like twin brothers to me. Most striking to me was the sloppy paint job of the wrist button and the unique emblem.

Two independent researches with the same outcome, that gives me a good feeling we are indeed talking about POCH variants here.

My figure came from Spain too BTW.

Does your figure also has a mark on the helmet?
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PostSubject: POCH IMPERIAL COMMANDER   Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:34 pm

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IMPERIAL COMMANDER



COO guide for Imperial Commander


NOTES:
- COO #3 is shared by POCH and Kenner (POCH Era figure).


COO #3: POCH ERA

In the pictures below a POCH Imperial Commander is compared to a Kenner figure sharing the same COO #3.

Imperial Commander COO #3: Kenner (left), POCH (right).


Imperial Commander COO #3: Kenner (left), POCH (right).


Imperial Commander COO #3: Kenner (left), POCH (right).


Imperial Commander COO #3: Kenner (left), POCH (right).


Imperial Commander COO #3: Kenner (left), POCH (right).


Imperial Commander COO #3: Kenner (left), POCH (right).




DIFFERENCES:
The differences between the two figures are subtle. Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the POCH Imperial Commander has:
- a paler face.
- very thick paint apps for the eye brows.
- a bit longer hairline at the back.
- chest emblem: deep red instead of vibrant red bar / white instead of silver painted bar.
- wider spay masks used for the cap emblem and the buckle.






Source: http://www.starwarsspanishstuff.info



ACCESSORIES

GUN

The POCH Imperial Commander came with a blue Imperial blaster.




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PostSubject: Re: THE POCH/PBP GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD - PART ONE   Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:03 am

New entry is in progress right now....... Cool





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