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PostSubject: Re: Craigy's Luke Jedi - Last Updated: 02/07/2010   Craigy's Luke Jedi - Last Updated: 02/07/2010 - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSat Feb 19, 2011 11:55 pm

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Interesting!!! Good question. I've tried to find the same screen shot since you've posted this. No luck!

Dallas, I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one here asking about this iconic picture of Mark Hamill in this pose that has appeared on the Vintage Kenner and Tri-Logo action figures, Posters, Jigsaw Puzzles and Magazines. IF there is any actual deleted offtake scene from Lucasfilm's cutting room floor, it will be a great discovery! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Craigy's Luke Jedi - Last Updated: 02/07/2010   Craigy's Luke Jedi - Last Updated: 02/07/2010 - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 20, 2011 12:24 am

I don't have any solid info as to the origin of the picture, but my guess is it could be from an alternate take of the scene or even taken by an on set photographer.
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PostSubject: Re: Craigy's Luke Jedi - Last Updated: 02/07/2010   Craigy's Luke Jedi - Last Updated: 02/07/2010 - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 20, 2011 5:02 am

@shawn_k wrote:
....but my guess is it could be from an alternate take of the scene or even taken by an on set photographer.


Shawn (and Craig), how about this other iconic picture of Luke Jedi brandishing his Lightsaber on Jabba's Sail Barge :

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Could this be an alternate offtake shot or most probably a publicity movie still picture? I first saw this picture in the May 23, 1983 issue of TIMES magazine.
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PostSubject: Re: Craigy's Luke Jedi - Last Updated: 02/07/2010   Craigy's Luke Jedi - Last Updated: 02/07/2010 - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 20, 2011 5:33 am

Hi Craig your collection rocks Very Happy

Reading about the Luke picture . Got me thinking . I use to have a small cut out artikel from a Danish youth magazine from the 1980's. There was something about a pirate /bootleg copy of one of the films. I think it was ROTJ.

They speculated about and got to the conclusion that if it exsist , it might be a copy with out the "digital" special effects on it .
Like a pre theater copy or something like that.


This was in the VHS / Beta Max days . My memories about it are veg , but i sold the cut out to Hansole / Michael in a lot.
He might still have it ? I wil PM him about it

Any one else ever heard about a pirate copy of the film ?
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This question is attentioned to Craig and Shawn, our resident Vintage Luke Jedi character focus experts. I have always wondered since July 1983 whether this was actual offtake scene from RETURN OF THE JEDI or a purposely posed publicity photo. :scratch: thinking I have studied the frame by frame shots and the best results only showed Luke's hand holding the palace blaster from the right side view, never from the full frontal shot such as this.

Please do share what you know about the actual origins and story behind this picture. Smile

Hello again Peter,

I am glad you enjoyed the limelight. It is not finished yet (I haven't listed all my collection yet) but hope to add to it when I get a chance.

The imfamous shot yous highlighted came from the set photographers that were on scene to take stills. The stills were used as publicity shots and distrubuted by LFL to the media for film publicity and toy companies like Kenner for Jedi. Shawn was lucky to get a Kenner reference photo (shown in his collection) I have managed to pick-up a few Reference photos from the media.

I believe the still photographer on the set of Jedi was called Albert Clarke.

Hope that helps

Craigy

EDIT(2) Another still photographer on the set of Jedi was Ralph Nelson Jr.

EDIT The reference photos were piled on my desk but heres a shot of them:
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@soren wrote:
Hi Craig your collection rocks Very Happy

Reading about the Luke picture . Got me thinking . I use to have a small cut out artikel from a Danish youth magazine from the 1980's. There was something about a pirate /bootleg copy of one of the films. I think it was ROTJ.

They speculated about and got to the conclusion that if it exsist , it might be a copy with out the "digital" special effects on it .
Like a pre theater copy or something like that.


This was in the VHS / Beta Max days . My memories about it are veg , but i sold the cut out to Hansole / Michael in a lot.
He might still have it ? I wil PM him about it

Any one else ever heard about a pirate copy of the film ?

Thanks Soren... that would be great if you find for me if Michael has still got the cut out. It would definately have a home here.
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Hi

I will check out the cut out in a few days tomorrow I'm not at home all day but I have thusday off. Smile

Cheers Michael
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jawdrop cheers :clap: bow Craig this is phenomenal!! Many thanks for all your hard work!!
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What a great and big collection you have Smile
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I was checking out your collection again, and WOW! This is a great limelight. Great pics, TONS of information. I have a special affinity for the Luke Jedi figure from my childhood, too. And seeing your collection helped me decide to try and start a Luke Jedi "mini-focus" to my Darth Vader focus.

Thank you again for all of the great information here!
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Bump for those that haven't seen this Smile
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This question is attentioned to Craig and Shawn, our resident Vintage Luke Jedi character focus experts. I have always wondered since July 1983 whether this was actual offtake scene from RETURN OF THE JEDI or a purposely posed publicity photo.  :scratch:  thinking I have studied the frame by frame shots and the best results only showed Luke's hand holding the palace blaster from the right side view, never from the full frontal shot such as this.

Please do share what you know about the actual origins and story behind this picture. Smile
Interesting!!! Good question. I've tried to find the same screen shot since you've posted this. No luck!
Late in the game on this one but i would say it is a still, It is too crisp, and you have depth of field in other parts of the photo so this is a portrait photo. There is no way it can be anything else but that. In the movie not a lot of people got that close to Luke because of the trap door close to Jabba's throne. So based on that assumption if you go with the film everyone would be far away from Luke because of the trap door and the danger of falling in the rancor pitt, well except for that single guard.. probably done for drama purpose of course.

For a publicity still you have to have drama so that is the perfect set up.
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Wow ... Last updated July 2010!!! Sorry for my tardyness but I have moved jobs countries bought a house and got married since I last posted so have been busy - promise to update soon!
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Great to hear from you Craig, look forward to seeing all your new SW goodies cheers 

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Now that is one impressive collection. And a very impressive post. Thank you for sharing.
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Still enjoying looking through this post.
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Amaaaaazzzzing! Very Happy

Cant believe I NEVER commented here!!

I will surely use this for the wepaon guide 2.0

GREAT work over all! If only all focus collectors would do that kind of meticulous work!! Simply outstanding!

Thanks for that!

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Thanks guys...

It way out of date and I know I been promising to update... As I sort out my collection for putting up for sale I will update all the threads.

The Luke Jedi focus though is relatively less £££ than my cast & crew mailers and coins so hopefullt I will be able to make enough money before then that I keep hold of or even better get that one or two US kenner MOCs I need to complete the entire US Kenner run for each factory.
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...on an additional note:

The LL Luke Jedi sabre mold is borrowed from the Luke Bespin! You are right that the steelmold of the figure itself travelled to Mexico, but the sabre mold has its origin on a Luke Bespin mold and factory! Wink

(Does that make sense??)
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Hey Wolf!

Nice to see your still around!!! Yep totally make sense to me... I will clarify that in my long anticpated update.

Thanks for reading please feel free to give any more feedback on stuff that may need reviewing!

On the topic on the Luke Jedi Green LL sabre:

This I believe was made at LL's factory in Mexico - if I read your comments correctly. And using the same mould as the one used for Luke Bespin's Yellow Sabre ... i.e. they just made new ones with green plastic. Yes?

Whats you opinon on the LL Luke Gun?

The HT factory (MIHK) Luke Jedi gun and the LL Luke Jedi gun are identical (just a different plastic seems to have been used) Do you think the far east factory gave Mexico th emold to the gun too?
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The Sabre mold wasn't "made" in Mexico. It also travelled to Mexico together with a Luke Bespin. Remember that only the MIM figures have unique and "Mexico" made molds (figure and weapons) Wink

The Sabre-mold does exist as Kenner version (in yellow). I guess these wer on sprue..maybe 10-15 each injection. So you can produce far more wepaons in one day then figures. You also do not need to paint them! Very Happy

So LL had one mold for the sabres and injected green and yellow plastic in those to use the result for Luke Jedi and Luke Bespin! Very Happy

The LL Gun is from your "ht" cardbacks, absolutely the same mold (MIHK figures). Same here btw: they used the same wepaon mold for AT-ST Driver, Luke Jedi and B-wing Pilot just changing the colors!

Very Happy

Great to also see you around Craig. Pitty you are planning to sell up a bit Sad Sad Sad
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Hi again Wolf that's great! I missed our old head scratching debates!

I incorporate these comments into an update of the post.

Just to get one tiny thing thing clear:

USA Kenner HT Luke Jedi sabres and Lili Ledy Luke Jedi sabres are very similar in design but not the same. Guys check out wolf's refernce photo of the different sabres:

[color:7829=#red][ Hold: I need to find this link so will add link later]

If I understand correctly, the far east "HT" factory when sending moulds to Mexico for Luke Bespin sent along the "LL" sabre type mould.

Now let's assume that before the HT factory sent over the "LL" sabre moulds, they used this same mould for making USA Kenner market Luke Bespins. Yes? Dose this mean I could find a Kenner Luke Bespin MOC with an identical sabre shape as the Lili Ledy inside the bubble (the only difference being the plastic might be different)

This would make it easier for me to understand. As by the time the HT factory sent out moulds to Mexico for Luke Jedi, the LL factory only needed the Figure and Gun moulds (it already had a sabre mould from the Bespin Luke).

And as the mould for the LL sabre had already left the HT factory before Luke Jedi was created - this is why you can't find a USA Kenner HT factory Luke Jedi with the "LL" type mould sabre.

One thing more to confirm Wolf... when you compare M.I.H.K Luke jedi figure from LL and USA Kenner releases are we saying that Mexico atcually made the black plastic parts (Torso, arms and Legs) itself?

Just courious why they didn't try to remove the M.I.H.K COO from the leg if they moulded all the plastic components themselves. I was alway under the impression that HT sent over the black plastic parts and the LL factory just assembled and painted.

Great stuff wolf!

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1. Yes, the Luke Bespin sabre mold from Lili Ledy can be found in a different color on Kenner cards. Check out the limlight of Alex (Luke Bespin focus) or the gunnery...or Marco's LL thread....should be in all three! Very Happy

2. I am o my way to picture all lightsbaers I have...just give me...well...a few days  Razz 

3. No...I personally think that LL did't care about Coos that could NOT be seen because of capes and such. So LL Jawa, LL ERG, LL Lando, LL Leia Bespin, LL Luke Jedi.....etc...had still the Asian country stamps present! The plastic material on LL is different. The coo looks more glossy and smooth....a bit like "polished" or freshly melted. It is an opaque kind of look....very difficult to describe, but you can see it next to next IMO.

i.e. CCP:
http://swspaceclub.com/wbobafett/coo-guide-3-0/esb/cloud-car-pilot/#a

...porcelain looking...opaque...whatever you want...LOL

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This focus together with Shawn's are such great references for all who collect Luke Jedi stuff. I'm really impressed over all the items and the way you presented them.

Amazing stuff, Craig!  Very Happy 
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amazing reference guide the best ive seen for a character focus Cool 
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