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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Wed May 21, 2014 3:38 am

Do Ledy and PBP TFP's share the same emblem type? Because my TFP has Ledy emblems, but resembles the middle PBP coo in your pic Marco.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Wed May 21, 2014 4:09 am

@chris.75 wrote:
Do Ledy and PBP TFP's share the same emblem type? Because my TFP has Ledy emblems, but resembles the middle PBP coo in your pic Marco.

Hey Chris,

Ledy has the unique boldface ('fat') emblems on the helmet.

Can you make a close up of the COO of your Ledy TFP, pls.
Does it differ from COO #6A, #6B, or #6C?

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Wed May 21, 2014 4:28 am

Here it is Marco, but actually I'd say it was a #6b.



Plus it doesn't have the distinctive PBP smell, so I'd say Ledy.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Wed May 21, 2014 4:49 am

Thanks for posting, Chris. Very Happy
Definitely a #6B COO. That together with the fat emblems makes him a Ledy.

Like Wolff, I am just wondering whether PBP TIE Fighter Pilots have different or the same scars compared to Lili Ledy figures.

Let's ask some help from other TIGgers:

@ All: Please post pics of your PBP TIE Fighter Pilot including a close up of the COOs.


Is the scar like:

  • COO#6A, #6B, or #6C?
  • or different?
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Wed May 21, 2014 4:53 am

@Dr Dengar wrote:
Let's ask some help from other TIGgers:

@ All: Please post pics of your PBP TIE Fighter Pilot including a close up of the COOs.

Is the scar like:

  • COO#6A, #6B, or #6C?
  • or different?


I can do this tomorrow, I should be able to upload photos of my PBP/Meccano/Ledy TFP's

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Wed May 21, 2014 5:04 am

Normally I fully agree with you Jay, but this case is IMo a bit more difficult. If the molds were duplicated at one stage it could be that only ONE left and ONE right leg are the same on both (LL, PBP).

The ESB scars often had some issues....they were "repaired" all the time, thats why IMO there is an nearly endless variety of Snowtrooper, Lando and Han Hoth scars.

@Marco: Attention....you have to look at left and right legs seperatly. From the pics I saw it already looks like they have the left leg in comon....

I am just asking how I should sort my scars to the COO sheet and thought maybe someone already researched this....

Well....I am working on my pics now and let you know what i found. I have also pics from Patrick and will also compare Marcos...


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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Wed May 21, 2014 5:10 am

I have 3 Ledy TFP with 'E IN' & one 'Made in'
there are different left leg markings.
Now 6A & 6B have the same left leg ( I'll make this X ), 6C & Chris' have the same left leg ( shall call this Y )


so I have 2 Ledy X 'E IN' , 1 Ledy Y 'E IN'
1 Ledy X 'MADE IN'


PBP X 'E IN' (ie exactly same leg markings as 2 of my Ledy)


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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Wed May 21, 2014 5:53 am

@aussiejames wrote:
I have  3 Ledy TFP with 'E IN' & one 'Made in'
there are different left leg markings.
Now 6A & 6B have the same left leg ( I'll make this X ),    6C & Chris' have the same left leg ( shall call this Y )

I can imagine when there are three differnet markings for the right legs (viewed from behind), then it would be logical to also have three for the left leg: X, Y, and Z

So we need to find the Z leg now.



@aussiejames wrote:

PBP X 'E IN'  (ie exactly same leg markings as 2 of my Ledy))

Interesting.

So this means that steel moulds were shipped from Spain to Mexico at some poin?
Or were the moulds copied, at some point?

@Wolff: you mentioned the possibility that the steelmoulds were copied.
Is this a process which results in a 100% replica, together with all the fine details like wrinkles, and exact shape of COO scars?


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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Wed May 21, 2014 6:21 am

hi guys,
here you are some pictures of my 4 tie pilot pbp scar.

I hope you find these pictures useful for your research.

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Wed May 21, 2014 6:28 am

working on it..hang on...as far as I can see it is at minimum 4 of each...

thanks for the pics so far to all...and information
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Wed May 21, 2014 7:44 am

Don't know about you guys, but I love this type of TIG teamwork.

Something good must come out of it.  

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Wed May 21, 2014 8:02 am

So far I have found 4 right legs for LL and PBP :

- Made in (confirmed on LL )
- e in (confirmed on LL and PBP)
- n (confirmed on LL and PBP)
- no letters left! (confirmed on LL and PBP)

I guess it is the same with the right legs then! Thanks to all that posted pics...helped a lot!

So....these are actually limited to 4?? Thought it would be more.



Anyone can help with the 4th left leg??  unsure
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Wed May 21, 2014 8:07 am

oh...and a PBP "Made in" would be cool...as final prrof for all 4 existing.....Lee are you around??
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Wed May 21, 2014 10:48 am

Here is my LL TFP.  Sorry, he hasn't been cleaned in a while.

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Mon May 26, 2014 3:13 am

"made in" scar confirmed by Lee on PBP figure. So all four on LL and PBP!


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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:43 pm

Hello! New member here. I was directed to this forum with a question I had about a Yoda I received as a gift from my wife.

Basically, I am trying to identify what variation it is.

The COO appears to match the #3 one here:
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t2135p915-the-lili-ledy-guide-discussion-thread-part-1

The cane looks reddish brown to me, though could be the same as the left most Kenner one.

The belt does not appear to be the Ledy one, as it's gray. The snake (brown) doesn't have any circles on it and doesn't match any of the ones in pictures in the relevant posts.

I was hoping someone would be able to help me identify what type it is and if it's a Lily Ledy or not.

Thanks!





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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:39 pm

Nevermind. After some research, Red Five Standing-By on FB was able to find out it was a 'green snake' Kenner variation.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:05 pm

Hi Phonic, welcome at TIG.  welcome 

COO#3 is shared by Kenner and Lili Ledy. The Ledy variant with this COO has orange eyes which are different from your Yoda.
Not sure about the snake, on the phone it looks brown instead of green. unsure

BTW: Nice that your wife gives you vintage figures!
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Sun Jul 06, 2014 3:32 pm

S.O.S. on the jungle drum....



A few questions for the Ledy Gods...

1) Is the 8-D8 figure in the middle LL?

All figures have a hard torso with a scarred COO

Left to Right: Light Brown unpainted bolts / Dark Brown painted bolts / Dark Brown unpainted bolts




2) Has anyone seen these errors before?

Middle figure extra patch on side of head
Figure on right has unpainted foot.




The entry in the TIG guide makes no reference to there been variations regarding the brown chest plate, so can anyone confirm these are legit Ledy variants?
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t2135p510-lili-ledy-discussion-thread#8D8

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:22 pm

1) Rebel Commander, Left to Right...

All figures have the 'MADE IN' scarred COO and came with a solid black bowcaster not shown. Do you agree with my findings below?....

Fig.1 - Dark Boots, Dark Grey Scarf, Red/Brown Eyes/Mouth = Ledy?
Fig.2 - Light Boots, Brown Scarf, Brown Eyes/Tash = Kenner?
Fig.3 - Light Boots, Light Grey Scarf, Brown Eyes/Tash = Ledy?




2) Scarf / Face Colour

Fig.2 - 100% brown scarf
Fig.3 - Very light grey scarf, a lot lighter then shown in the TIG guide but also a pale face
Fig.1 - hard to see until use do a side by side comparison but 'greyer' then the brown fig.2, eyes & tash are red/brown






3) Boot colour

Three different shades, but then again I'm 99.9% certain fig.2 to KENNER.



TIG's entry... http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t2135p15-the-lili-ledy-guide-discussion-thread-part-1#Rebel Commander

Questions?

Is the middle figure KENNER?
Fig 1 & 3, LEDY?
Fig.3 has anyone seen a LEDY with such a light grey scarf & pale face?

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:14 pm

Hi Walkie, I can Help:

About the 8D8; On my opinion all 3 of them are LL, the variations on the brown tone on the chest its a pretty common characteristic on LLs, colors were set by 'eye' by a color manager so if that day a lighter or darker color was prepared then it was applied, so different color tones are available through all the LL SW line.
The unpainted bolts are the result of wear:

As you can see on this picture some bolts are unpainted and some are painted.
That extra patch seems to be a factory mishap, the stencil is very obvious on the other 2 but no on the bottom one, I have never found or seen a LL 8D8 with that 3rd patch so I guess it's just a painting mishap.

The unpainted leg is a regular mistake on LL 8D8s after a fast search I found 5 of them with this characteristic, just keep in mind that on some figures paint becomes very fragile and can be remove with your fingernail:





I even found one with both legs missing the paint app on the feett.

About the Rebel Commander; Again all 3 are LL, also tone variations are a common thing on LLs but the example number 3 according to my experience it's the result of sun burned:


Probably a head swap or a chemical cleaned torso, don't know but I'm pretty sure that pale face and the tone on the scarf are due sun discoloration.

Now about the boots, you can find many tones on them, going from dark to light brown, same reason as the brown tones on the 8D8:


I hope this info helps.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:37 pm

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The unpainted bolts are the result of wear

Thats good to hear, I was thinking the exact thing as going to the trouble of not painting them just didn't make sense  :scratch: 

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The unpainted leg is a regular mistake on LL 8D8s after a fast search I found 5 of them with this characteristic, just keep in mind that on some figures paint becomes very fragile and can be remove with your fingernail

Agreed, I noticed one of the other figures has fragile silver paint but nice to know this is a common LL trait.

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About the Rebel Commander; Again all 3 are LL, also tone variations are a common thing on LLs but the example number 3 according to my experience it's the result of sun burned.

Probably a head swap or a chemical cleaned torso, don't know but I'm pretty sure that pale face and the tone on the scarf are due sun discoloration.

I thought this as the chest does look off white in hand but the scarf/goggles & rear of the helmet and all 100% uniform in colour. If it was sun-burn I would expect the underside of the scarf to be the original colour but it isn't  :scratch: 

Shame if it sun-burn, the lighter grey scarf colour is kind of unique and makes him stand out in my collection.

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Now about the boots, you can find many tones on them, going from dark to light brown, same reason as the brown tones on the 8D8

It makes sense and I reckon you can probably match the shades of brown up with the brown on the 8D8 figures.

Another day and more variant knowledge soaked up, cheers Ozio for taking the time to reply  :clap: 

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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:52 pm

No problem buddy it's great that this info helps you somehow.
The color on the scarf and face on the sun burned Rebel Commander is 100% uniform on my example too, I also love how it looks, not the sun burned chest of course but I have seen this type of color only on sun damaged RCs and its a constant characteristic.

I'm always open to new possibilities so if we found a carded one with no chest damage but those tones on the face we can probably talk about a new variant. I can see sellers swapping heads from sun burned LL RC's to no sun burned ones just for the que$t of a new variant  doh
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:52 am

Informative posts, Stef and Ozio.  Very Happy 

8d8's entry has been updated with respect to the unpainted bolts.
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 2   Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:03 am

@OZIO wrote:
The color on the scarf and face on the sun burned Rebel Commander is 100% uniform on my example too, I also love how it looks, not the sun burned chest of course but I have seen this type of color only on sun damaged RCs and its a constant characteristic.

Does your example have bubbling on the paint? my does on both the scarf & boots. Maybe this was also caused by heat damage?

@OZIO wrote:
I'm always open to new possibilities so if we found a carded one with no chest damage but those tones on the face we can probably talk about a new variant. I can see sellers swapping heads from sun burned LL RC's to no sun burned ones just for the que$t of a new variant  doh

Agreed  doh

@Dr Dengar wrote:
8d8's entry has been updated with respect to the unpainted bolts.

But don't let this stop you making a Max Rebo band entry  lol! 

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