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PostSubject: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeMon May 20, 2013 11:59 pm

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-RARE-LILI-LEDY-STAR-WARS-MEXICAN-FIGURE-ROTJ-BOBA-FETT-REMOVABLE-ROCKET-/200924578370?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ec809c242
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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeTue May 21, 2013 12:13 am

From the seller on the original sale:
'THIS FIGURE HAVE SOME DETAILS AS THEY ARE MARKED ON THE PICTURES, THE ROCKET HAVE SOME MARKS ON THE TIP AND THERE IS A BLUE FACTORY MARK ON THE ROCKET BUT THERE IS NO PLASTIC MISSING ON THE ROCKET OR GLUE MARKS. THE INSIDE OF THE ROCKET HOLE HAVE SOME MARKS THAT SHOWS THAT THE ROCKET WAS PUT IN AND OUT BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER.'

The seller points some very important characteristics of this figure on his sale but the figure still it's advertised as a 100% authentic guaranteed Removable rocket while the very same characteristics on the description turns this figure in to a not original removable rocket. Please take a look:

An original LL Removable Rocket must have:
-Clean rocket hole, no stress marks, not red residues from rocket, no melt marks from welding process, even if the rocket was inserted and taken out a lot of times those characteristics are not present on an original LL RR Boba Fett.
-Clean rocket with no blue residues at all, no melt marks and no missing parts.

Where does the blue residue mark on rocket comes from?
From the contact with this part:
BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! Imagen15
After welding process and due melting the blue plastic leaves a mark on the rocket. If this blue mark on the rocket is on the opposite side of the tab that means that rocket was placed correctly inside Boba's torso with the tab inserted here:
BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! Imagen14
So if the rocket has the blue mark on the opposite side of the rocket's tab it comes from a regular LL Boba Fett. I have seen lots of fake LL RR Fett with this mark, present and 'erased', just like this:
BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! Imagen16

There's a 'factory mistake' LL Boba Fett that has the blue mark right next to the tab on the rocket, something like this:
BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! Dsc04311
If the blue residue mark is right next to the tab that means that rocket was wrongly placed inside boba (with the tab not inserted on the right place) before welding process, so with a little turn the rocket can be taken out. A regular LL boba fett has the blue residue mark exactly on the opposite side of the tab, a 'Factory Mistake' LL RR Boba Fett has the blue residue mark right next to the tab and an original LL RR Boba fett has no blue mark at all, because rocket was inserted after welding process so no melt marks at all on it.

Seller pictures:
BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! T2ec1616 BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! T2ec1617 BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! T2ec1618 BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! T2ec1619
As you can see on the pics, this Fett has Red residues inside rocket's hole, blue residues on rocket (right to the opposite side of the tab) and tweezers marks on the tip of the rocket. Remember a LL Rocket with missing parts, melt marks, or blue residues on the opposite side of the tab comes from a regular LL Boba fett and:

An original LL Removable Rocket must have:
-Clean rocket hole, no stress marks, not red residues from rocket, no melt marks from welding process, even if the rocket was inserted and taken out a lot of times those characteristics are not present on an original LL RR Boba Fett.
-Clean rocket with no blue residues at all, no melt marks and no missing parts.



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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeTue May 21, 2013 12:21 am

Thank Goodness you guys are here to watch out for this type of stuff. I will admit I actually bid on this to the $350 mark before I was outbid and contemplated going more. I am glad to have more experienced collectors around like Steve and Ozio to help guide some of us noobs with ledy stuff.

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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeTue May 21, 2013 12:24 am

Thank you but I will back out on any "Thank you's"... I learned this from Ozio, so I'm just repeating what I learned from the Lili Ledy KING : )
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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeTue May 21, 2013 1:37 pm


Excellent post, Ozio!! Very Happy


I hope you don't mind I used it for the Boba Fett entry in the LL thread as well, so it will be easily accessible.


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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeTue May 21, 2013 2:27 pm

@Dr Dengar wrote:

Excellent post, Ozio!! Very Happy

I hope you don't mind I used it for the Boba Fett entry in the LL thread as well, so it will be easily accessible.

[*] Boba Fett


No problem at all buddy, I'm working on a better LL RR Fett description, as soon as I finish it I'll send it to you so we can add it to the LL thread.
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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeTue May 21, 2013 2:39 pm

Once again Excellent info Smile

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@OZIO wrote:


No problem at all buddy, I'm working on a better LL RR Fett description, as soon as I finish it I'll send it to you so we can add it to the LL thread.
Cheers

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That's great, looking forward to it buddy! Very Happy
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The auction was cancelled...
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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeTue May 28, 2013 9:20 am

And here's the next one....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lili-Ledy-Star-Wars-Boba-Fett-Removable-Rocket-variation-vintage-Mexican-/281113799374?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4173b02ace

lol!

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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeTue May 28, 2013 10:23 am

@walkie wrote:
And here's the next one....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lili-Ledy-Star-Wars-Boba-Fett-Removable-Rocket-variation-vintage-Mexican-/281113799374?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4173b02ace

lol!

@OZIO wrote:
There's a 'factory mistake' LL Boba Fett that has the blue mark right next to the tab on the rocket, something like this:
BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! Dsc04311
If the blue residue mark is right next to the tab that means that rocket was wrongly placed inside boba (with the tab not inserted on the right place) before welding process, so with a little turn the rocket can be taken out. A regular LL boba fett has the blue residue mark exactly on the opposite side of the tab, a 'Factory Mistake' LL RR Boba Fett has the blue residue mark right next to the tab and an original LL RR Boba fett has no blue mark at all, because rocket was inserted after welding process so no melt marks at all on it.


I was looking at this one as well this morning, but I thought it looked good? The blue marks on the rocket are in the correct place as per Ozio's previous description. And he states in the ad, who the previous owner was. Maybe some of the ledy experts can chime in on this one. :scratch:
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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeTue May 28, 2013 7:11 pm

@Commander Clint wrote:
@walkie wrote:
And here's the next one....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lili-Ledy-Star-Wars-Boba-Fett-Removable-Rocket-variation-vintage-Mexican-/281113799374?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4173b02ace

lol!

@OZIO wrote:
There's a 'factory mistake' LL Boba Fett that has the blue mark right next to the tab on the rocket, something like this:
BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! Dsc04311
If the blue residue mark is right next to the tab that means that rocket was wrongly placed inside boba (with the tab not inserted on the right place) before welding process, so with a little turn the rocket can be taken out. A regular LL boba fett has the blue residue mark exactly on the opposite side of the tab, a 'Factory Mistake' LL RR Boba Fett has the blue residue mark right next to the tab and an original LL RR Boba fett has no blue mark at all, because rocket was inserted after welding process so no melt marks at all on it.


I was looking at this one as well this morning, but I thought it looked good? The blue marks on the rocket are in the correct place as per Ozio's previous description. And he states in the ad, who the previous owner was. Maybe some of the ledy experts can chime in on this one. :scratch:

I don't see blue marks on that rocket, those marks look more like stress and melt marks to me. Still if you are interested on that figure ask for some pictures of the inside of the rocket hole, and from rocket right on the opposite side of the tab, those 2 pictures will help you better.

I've uploaded my research on the LL RR Fett, please take a look when you have the time:
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t5523p180-the-lili-ledy-discussion-thread-part-2#98389

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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeTue May 28, 2013 7:54 pm

@OZIO wrote:
I don't see blue marks on that rocket, those marks look more like stress and melt marks to me. Still if you are interested on that figure ask for some pictures of the inside of the rocket hole, and from rocket right on the opposite side of the tab, those 2 pictures will help you better.

I've uploaded my research on the LL RR Fett, please take a look when you have the time:
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t5523p180-the-lili-ledy-discussion-thread-part-2#98389

cheers
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Thanks Ozio, again your info and help are top notch. Very Happy +'s coming your way
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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeTue May 28, 2013 7:58 pm

Well said Clint! It just doesn't get any better then Ozio's explanation link he provided!
Great job Ozio : )
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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 01, 2013 7:21 pm

Seems very odd that the rocket tab is broke, that can't be an easy thing to just 'snap' off, chewed off maybe, but I'd bet my money that if you asked for a picture of the interior of the rocket pack from the other side, you'd probably see that missing piece still stuck into the slot.

A few years ago I had a couple knackered beater Fett's, so I decided to break them open to check out the interior and potential for making a RF custom, When I tried to remove the Rocket from one of them the tab broke off and remained firmly stuck in the little slot! sound familiar!

P.S. Interestingly the second Fett I dismantled was a Taiwan Fett and the rocket didn't have a tab at all, just a plain rocket ike the prototypes, not sure if this is the case with all Taiwan Fett's.
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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 03, 2013 5:47 am

That's Don's (oceans11) & I do not doubt his integrity at all.
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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 03, 2013 7:13 am

I agree. This thread was started about a completely different RR LL Fett, not Don's. I think people were concerned because of the tab on the rocket. His description on his sale described the condition and who he got it from. It is legit. And he sold it...
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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 03, 2013 1:56 pm

Yeah I just read his facebook post description, no question about the authenticity of that, like you said Steve just that broken tab set a few alarm bells ringing.
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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 03, 2013 2:04 pm

I posted the ocean11 one due to a few red flags, broken rocket and no photos showing the inside of the hole. The rocket had what looks like a melt mark on one side.

As for the seller I have never heard of him so I could not confirm the integrity of the piece and likewise did not claim his item was bogus.


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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 03, 2013 2:09 pm

I saw the pics he added and everything was ok with his fett, no residues inside rocket hole or melt marks on inner tab, those two characteristics are the most important ones on a LL RR Fett figure.

@General Kahn wrote:

P.S. Interestingly the second Fett I dismantled was a Taiwan Fett and the rocket didn't have a tab at all, just a plain rocket ike the prototypes, not sure if this is the case with all Taiwan Fett's.

About the Taiwan Fett, I bought one some years ago as it was advertised as a RR fett, the rocket didn't had a tab at all and it didn't looked removed.
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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 03, 2013 2:23 pm

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About the Taiwan Fett, I bought one some years ago as it was advertised as a RR fett, the rocket didn't had a tab at all and it didn't looked removed.

unsure Interesting! I always wondered if all Taiwan Fetts where this way (without a tab) I know some times the rockets can come loose, main;y Tri-Logo's, every Tri-Logo Fett I have or have had has a wobbly Rocket, never heard of it on other Fetts though, the tab prevents the removal on Tri Fetts (at least without damaging it) on a Taiwan Fett though, I guess that if it came loose it would just slide out because of the lack of tab?
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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 05, 2013 7:54 am


Another Mexican bootleg removable rocket fett on ebay....

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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 07, 2013 7:08 pm

"FREEZE BITCH!"
"Alright you got me copper"

Haha, love the Siamese.... errr, rocket???
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@General Kahn wrote:
"FREEZE BITCH!"
"Alright you got me copper"

Haha, love the Siamese.... errr, rocket???

lol!

or a parasitic twin What a Face

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PostSubject: Re: BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!!   BOGUS RR Ledy Fett!!!!! I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 16, 2013 8:24 pm

Wow....what a great thread. I think I know the guy that was selling this. He was pretty shady about it all. He has some resealed Ledy pieces too.
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