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PostSubject: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:55 pm

Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)
 
I've recently purchased a tri-logo fett on ebay (no know I shouldn't). Sad 
 
Now here's the thing, until I received the package I didn't realise that most of the known PAINTED DART/PAINTED KNEE combos have a BLACK BELT. As you can see from my photos this one has a BROWN BELT.
 
I don't own another fett with the light yellow/light brown belt to compare at the moment. However from what I've seen on the net, all the light yellow fetts have shitty over-spray, the shoulder pads may even have brush marks on them.
 
So i'm asking the community for a little help on this one.
 

 

 
COO

 
Dart




 
Shoulder Pads





 
Knee Pads




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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:27 pm

tbh seems legit enough to me, nothing to be alarmed about.

My brown belt trilogo with 'yellower' armour paint has the same characteristics as yours. FWIW mine is split scar, not single scar like yours.

Your dart paint seems factory, doesn't look touched up. These brown belt / yellow armour ones seem to have a glossier paint than the others.

These trilogo fetts are widely varied.

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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:49 pm

I'll take better pics when I get home

the middle 2 I consider brown belts with slightly different paint apps/degradation.

 I'll take a pic comparing them to my dark brown belts.

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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:23 am

Hi Stefan

This paint combo is pefectly fine - It's a good find as the brown belt is rarer than the black belt
for this knee/dart combo - but, in the bigger scheme of things, there are so many possible variations
with the paint/dart/knee/scar that you have to consider factory mix ups/different batches on the limbs
etc.

Depending on what sort of variant collector you are, there can be 2, 4, 8, 12, 16 etc...etc.. different
variants on a trilogo Fett lol!  I only have 12 i think btw :I am stupid: 

Anyone seen this variant on cardback?

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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:55 am

Lee, only 12 Shocked. how many of these have the brown belt/light yellow paint apps?

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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:06 pm

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Lee, only 12 Shocked. how many of these have the brown belt/light yellow paint apps?

The dark belt orange paint apps are generally always a darker orange/brown.

The lighter brown belt orange paint apps are generally always a lighter/brighter orange colour.

In both cases the colours can vary a little with batches and some cases mixed up limbs.

Your figure is fine my friend and a rarer combination.

Just to add more info on a couple of other subtle differences on trilogo Fett's;

The dark belt has a dark red/black visor and the light belt has a lighter red visor.
I have a dark visor on a light belt. Not seen the other way round though.

There is also a third belt colour. Lighter brown, mid-brown and then the dark brown.

Interestingly, my mid-brown has the dark red/black visor!

There are so many combinations on trilogo Fett's it really can be a head f**k depending
on how far you want to go with them head bang

What i would consider the oldskool main four is plenty for any good variant collection imo Smile

painted knee/unpainted wristdart
painted knee/painted wristdart
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:49 am

Comparisons against my unpainted/painted knee versions...




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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:09 pm

Nice find Smile Its legit, I've had one as well.
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:26 pm

Rawlin wrote:
Nice find Smile Its legit, I've had one as well.

Do you still have it or any photos? Would love to see proof of another one?

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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:51 pm

I got a bit confused. Mine did not have both painted knee and painted dart. It was the one I had before the last one I sold. Colors where the same and that was what I was looking at on yours. My mistake. The colors are all correct what I can tell and does not look tempered with. I would not doubt that it's legit, it probably is rather rare or a factory error.
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:25 am

Have you also considerd a limb swap?? I personally do not trust the painted dart light brown belts. All I have seen were probably swapped or touched up, but I guess Lee is more the expert to talk to! Wink

If you are asking if there is a sprayed touch up, it is surely possible and taht would mean we are doomed..Razz . Seriously, it looks good from the pictures....but who knows?!?

edit: some parts look veeeery glossy....too glossy? Although one of the shoulder pads looks wrong...with the little "stripes" on top...hmmmm
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:16 am

Good point there. It could be a limb swap :/ not hard at all to do.

Run it under your uv. Some paint modifications show up under uv. It seems your uv is a bit weak though. I bought a uv light bulb for around 10usd which works great.
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:44 am

I ruled out a limb swap on the legs as both these and the legs have the same belt colour. The arms = maybe.

How easy is a limb swap, I know that heads can be easily boiled and pulled off on ESB and later figures?

My biggest area of concern for me is the shoulder pads and those little lines ?!?!

I will buy a new uv lamp/bulb and see what that shows up, once I get the figure back.

Thanks for all the help so far guys.

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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:16 pm

Unfortunately Stefan, limb swaps are as easy as head swaps, I've done a couple in terms of customs and help a friend attach a couple of arms to figures he bought in a lot for his shop, One I used a reasonably crude method, Thing is It's actually difficult to do without damaging the part of the arm that goes inside the body because it has to be poked in while heated up, this of course damages it, the problem is, it's inside so you can't see, unless you whack him in some hot water and pop the arms and then check for damage (you can always put them back again) the problem with Tri-Fett's of course is that they are easily damaged paint wise and I wouldn't personnaly risk it.

Tri Fetts are awkward figures, take the paint scheme variations, dart and knee variations and COO combinations and you are looking at 30+ before you even take into consideration other variables.

In terms of paint scheme I tend to go with two, dark and light (conserning the three major colour used on the figures torso and limbs):
Dark - Dark Green Armour, Orange Limb Armour, Dark Brown Belt
Light - light Green Armour, Yellow Limb Armour, Light Brown Belt

Now usually these stick together with the exception sometimes being the green where sometimes the dark can be found with the light sceme and vice versa.

The thing with the dart is, the ones I've had/seen have always been with the (dark) orange paint which was your original concern Stefan, to me a limb swap is irrelevnt, because the apinted dart with the light yellow paint is unusual in it's self.

The over spraying or colour leaking is something that appears on many of the 'yellow' paint apps, but is not as common, or at least as noticeable on the 'orange' paint apps.

As for glossyness again, it may seem slightly off, but again I have ones the same.

Out of curiosity, what do you mean by 'the shoulder pad little lines?'

Also, one last thing you should check as a matter of urgency, does it have a remveable non sonic welded rocket?

I only ask beause I want to know if I still have the only one Razz 
 

 
Haha, I'm only playing, to be honest it looks legit to me Stefan, nice find Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:53 pm

Limb swaps are easy but as kahn said, putting the plug back in deformes it most of the times, but it's not visible on the outside.

Not sure how common that is because its really hard to tell unless colors differ. If its a sloppy jobb, while heating the shoulder could be deformed. If over heated you can acctually start reshaping the plastic, it's how I removed the coo on the poch Wampa joke. If to overheated it will be completely ruined.

But just switching a limb is rather easy on most figures.


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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:55 am

FAKE!!!!
 
Believe it or not i'm now very happy after finally figuring this figure out!! I would like to say thank you to the individuals who examined this figure (via email & in hand).
 
The colour match on the paint used was PERFECT!, the glossy area's was a red herring as the non touched up area's had the same gloss finish.
 
And now the proof, using the UV test (thanks Rawlin for the suggestion)........
 

Note: Dart on wrist and both shoulder pads true green
 

Note: Another shot of the green wrist dart
 

Note: Head shot showing the green wrist dart and knee which was unpainted but touched up
 

Note: The Right hand knee has two touched up area's
 

Note: Close up of knee tool
 

Note: Another shot of the dart and left shoulder pad
 

Note: Right shoulder pad
 
This tri-logo fett was originally a UpD/pK with the light brown belt.
 
- Both Shoulder pads have been completely repainted.
- The dart has been painted.
- The right hand knee has been touched up on the side.
- The "tool" on the right knee has been touched up.
 
Good & Bad News
 
- The figure is a FAKE! Sad 
- The seller has requested the figure to be returned. Sad 
- My offer of destroying the figure was turned down. Sad
- The figure may reappear on the market :(but I am told it will be described as FAKE! Very Happy
 
- The seller has agreed to a full refund including return postage. Very Happy 
- The seller has been 100% straight with me, and I believe this to be a genuine mistake. Very Happy 
- I see no reason to name and shame the seller. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Sun Aug 04, 2013 3:01 am

He got me. A well done paint jobb for sure.
Could not see unless under uv.

Sorry to see that it was fake Sad good though that you get the money back.
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:39 am

I'm glad you finally managed to get to the truth of this figures origins Stefan, its just a shame it turned out to be fake Crying or Very sad But at least you have resolved the issue amicably with the seller and that you will get a full refund.

A positive outcome from all this though, is the idea of using a UV light to spot paint touch ups, genius!! cheers kudos to Rawlin for the idea.
i'm gonna get me one of those lamps, cos you never know when buying from ebay. At least this is one more way we can help fight against the scammers.
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:41 am

I learned from wolf so don't give me to much credit Smile I saw when he checked a figure with touch ups and after that I saw how great it is.
But I think it's been used for a long time.
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:53 am

"Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo" shall take that off my wanted list for now tongue 
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:15 am

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"Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo" shall take that off my wanted list for now tongue 

and mine !!

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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:25 pm

Good detective work.

Such a good colour match, but you can't fool the UV light gods!!

Ebay huh head bang 
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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:46 am

A forum member kindly sent me this image comparing the dart detail on the auction photos and my photos when I received the figure. scratch 


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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:47 am

As it's most likely this figure will be re-sold here's two final photos before I post him back to the seller.




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PostSubject: Re: FAKE!!!!! Tri-Logo Fett Help? (Painted Knee / Dart / Brown Belt Combo)   Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:51 am

I'm a bit worried. Honestly. There is no way to tell that it's modified. At least I can't tell, it's clearly visible under uv. He will most likely resell it and someone else will get it and that guy might not find out it's fake. Returning the figure and doing refund is a way of avoiding a negative feedback. Might want to look at his auctions and see if it's sold as custom or not.
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