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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:59 am

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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:13 am



That was very informative.

Thanks a lot Todd for taking the effort to write it up and share with us. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:01 am


these soft sleeves are the cheapest option I've found to date Smile 
http://shop.hobbiesdepot.com/Pack-of-100-BCW-6X9-Photo-Size-Soft-2-Mil-Poly-Sleeves-PACK-6X9SLV.htm
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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:39 am

Here's my small run of Stormtrooper cardbacks.

Kenner 12A


Kenner 12B with Takara sticker


Kenner 41A



Kenner 47A


Palitoy 12 B


Palitoy 45 B


Palitoy 45 C


Palitoy 65 D with offer expiry date inked out


Tri-Logo 70 back with alternate photo


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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:21 am



Tri logo. Missing a couple of the hybrids still!

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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:30 am

Fantastic run Jason!
The Jawa & Madine look to be in particularly nice condition.
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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:16 am

@cantina_patron wrote:
Fantastic run Jason!
The Jawa & Madine look to be in particularly nice condition.
They were originally reseals.

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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:01 pm

@Steve, great stormie cards there mate, nice little run going on, I hope to do something similar myself cheers

@MrPalitoy, some great artwork on the Tri cards mate, always liked them cheers

Superb thread guys Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:45 pm

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@Steve, great stormie cards there mate, nice little run going on, I hope to do something similar myself cheers
Thanks Andy, what character are you after?. Very Happy 
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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:14 pm

Very happy to see this thread on TIG cheers  thanks everyone for uploading pics and giving info!

Here's my small run of LXWP cards:

SW Kenner 20d



SW Kenner 21b



ESB Palitoy 41b



ESB Palitoy 45b



ROTJ Kenner 77a



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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:14 pm

@cantina_patron wrote:
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@Steve, great stormie cards there mate, nice little run going on, I hope to do something similar myself cheers
Thanks Andy, what character are you after?. Very Happy 
Steve, I'll be going for Stormie's as well mate cheers

Paul, nice run of LXWP, great artwork cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:31 pm

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@cantina_patron wrote:
@Nico wrote:
@Steve, great stormie cards there mate, nice little run going on, I hope to do something similar myself cheers
Thanks Andy, what character are you after?. Very Happy 
Steve, I'll be going for Stormie's as well mate cheers
Good choice Andy. If I get any spares, I'll let you know!

@ Paul, great Luke X-Wing cards. cheers 

Now, what have the rest of you got to show us?
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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:42 pm

A good friend of mine collects cardbacks, but doesn't really know what they all are, so he gives them to me and I sort, label and file them for him and in return he gives me his spares Very Happy  I scan everyone for my own archive and will post bits here and there as and when I have them a bit more sorted.

This was a nice little find in his last batch, a Made In Spain Hammerhead - Kenner ROTJ 77 Back A.
The card is the typical flimsy card stock, glossy front, matte back.



Nice cards everyone :clap:
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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:17 pm

I've got to get myself one of those Alex.

It's interesting that the quality of the 'Made In Spain' cardbacks is very similar to the 'Made In Mexico' ones.
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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:38 pm

@cantina_patron wrote:
I've got to get myself one of those Alex.

It's interesting that the quality of the 'Made In Spain' cardbacks is very similar to the 'Made In Mexico' ones.
Yes it is interesting, the MIM cards can be found with both glossy backs and matte backs, I'm not sure if the same applies to the MIS cards. Heres a couple of MIM cards including an example of a Chief Chirpa with a glossy back and the same card with the matte back.


Chief Chirpa - MIM Kenner ROTJ 77 Back A (Glossy Back)


Chief Chirpa - MIM Kenner ROTJ 77 Back A (Matte Back)


Darth Vader - MIM Kenner ROTJ 65 Back B (Matte Back)


Gamorrean Guard - MIM Kenner ROTJ 65 Back B (Matte Back)
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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:55 pm

Thanks for sharing that Alex, with the possible exception (I'll have to check) of my POTF Paploo & Lumat, all of my other MIM moc's have a matt back.
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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:04 am



my first ESB clipper,  & a french Ewok Smile






this pic just cos'
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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:49 pm

@aussiejames wrote:
"One thought I had was about how its seems Palitoy card backs are more likely to be missing the name plates. Why the European children liked to cut the names out of the cards I am not sure"
All the mail in offers ask for the names to be sent in, there are no POPS.  So just like US cards with POPs missing you'll see Palitoy cards with nameplates missing Smile 
Here's an example of such a Palitoy offer (ESB 45 back).
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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:29 pm

One of the interesting things about sorting my friends cards out is that the first batch was his childhood collection, all bought in the U.K. I posted the full list in a thread around that time which can be found here I was suprised by the amount of Kenner cards in there. It's common knowledge that Palitoy put stickers on three Kenner cards, The ESB 47 Back A, ESB 48 Back C and the ROTJ 48 Back D, but this was only because these three cards had the figure offers on them (4-LOM, Admiral Ackbar & Nien Numb) the sticker was simply to give a U.K. address for the offer. Any offerless Kenner card would not require a sticker and it would appear that there was a lot more Kenner cards circulating in the U.K. than you might think.

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"One thought I had was about how its seems Palitoy card backs are more likely to be missing the name plates. Why the European children liked to cut the names out of the cards I am not sure"
All the mail in offers ask for the names to be sent in, there are no POPS.  So just like US cards with POPs missing you'll see Palitoy cards with nameplates missing
An interesting thing with the name plate cut out is of course is that it's pretty much proof that the card came from the U.K. so when ever you see a Kenner card with the name gone (and there's alot!) it probably means that it originated in the U.K.

That said, you always bloody well get one clown!!! Mad 

Biker Scout - Kenner ROTJ 65 Back A
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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:49 am

@General Kahn wrote:

All the mail in offers ask for the names to be sent in, there are no POPS.  So just like US cards with POPs missing you'll see Palitoy cards with nameplates missing
[justify]An interesting thing with the name plate cut out is of course is that it's pretty much proof that the card came from the U.K. so when ever you see a Kenner card with the name gone (and there's alot!) it probably means that it originated in the U.K. [quote]

In the Netherlands and Belgium you also had to cut out the nameplates for the premiums, so an cut out name can come from other european sources then the UK.
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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:22 am

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In the Netherlands and Belgium you also had to cut out the nameplates for the premiums, so an cut out name can come from other european sources then the UK.
The thing with production in the Netherlands & Belgium, Clipper only actually produced it's own card stock for the first SW 12 backs and the ESB 45 Backs, everything else was released on imported cardstock from Kenner, Kenner Canada, Palitoy and German General Mills, all of which are identifiable by the Clipper stickers applied to the cards, or at least by the tearing or residue left from attempts to remove these stickers. The name plate was used for the offers but the imported cards are still identifiable as being from the Netherlands or Belgium in the vast majority of cases because of the Clipper stickers or evidence that these stickers where once there.
The thing about the imported Kenner cards in the U.K. is that only the offer cards can be identidied as being from the U.K. by Palitoy stickers, all the others are just standard Kenner cards totally indistinguishable from there U.S. counterparts, so again it is likely that the vast majority of Kenner cards with the nameplate removed did originate from the U.K.
The interesting thing to me is the vast amount of imported Kenner cards which appear to have come from the U.K. because unlike Clipper who only produced two of it's own unique cards, Palitoy was producing it's own unique cards all the way from the SW 12 Back A's right the way through until the ROTJ 65 Back D's and even the Tri-Logo hybrids cards but still must have needed to import card stock from Kenner to meet production demand.

Here's an interesting example of a Klaatu on a Palitoy ROTJ 65 Back with the Clipper wrap around sticker. What makes this particular card interesting is that this came from my friends childhood collection and was bought in the U.K. making it possible that Palitoy or some distributers where importing overstock where ever to meet demand, in this case the Netherlands.

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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:56 pm


Star Wars 12 Back A


First Palitoy card (Vehicles say 'Laser Lights and Sounds'

Star Wars 12 Back B


Second Palitoy card (Laser Lights and Sound text removed)

Star Wars 20 Back


Third Palitoy Card and definately my favourite, you gotta love that Death Star picture Very Happy 

The Empire Strikes Back 30 Back A


Fourth Palitoy Card and first ESB card

The Empire Strikes Back 30 Back B


Fifth Palitoy Card same as the 30 A except that on the front the Palitoy logo is bigger and the 'aged 4 and up' text is smaller, and on the back 'Made In Hong Kong' has been added to the bottom right hand corner in the surround bar

The Empire Strikes Back 41 Back A


The Sixth Palitoy card introducing the second wave of ESB figures

The Empire Strikes Back 41 Back B


The Seventh Palitoy card, there are a couple of different versions of this card concerning the writing under the Star Destroyer Playset. The text says 'with figures' which of course was not the case in the U.K. the card can be found with the text, with a blue sticker over the text or some times just simply a pen scribble marking it out, below is one such example with the pen pen scribble.


The Empire Strikes Back 41 Back C

The eigth Palitoy card, but unfortunately I don't have a picture for this card as it would seem that it is quite hard to come by. The card it's self is identicle to the ESB 41 Back B but the 'with figures' text found below the Star Destroyer Playset has now been removed
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The Empire Strikes Back 45 Back A


The ninth Palitoy card and the last to use the infamous Palitoy logo unfortunately Sad 

The Empire Strikes Back 45 Back B


The Tenth Palitoy card and the last of the ESB cards

Return Of The Jedi 45 Back C


The Eleventh Palitoy card and first of the ROTJ cards

Return Of The Jedi 65 Back A


The Twelfth Palitoy card

Return Of The Jedi 65 Back B


The thirteenth Palitoy card, it's basically the same as the 65 back A but the Palitoy address in the bottom left hand corner of the cards back is written over 5 lines on the 65 back A and written over only 4 lines on this, the 65 Back B

Return Of The Jedi 65 Back C


The fourteenth Palitoy card, on the card back the bandolier offer says 'offer ends January 31st 1984" this text can either be present or sometimes blacked out with marker as can be seen on the Squid Head 65 Back C card below


Return Of The Jedi 65 Back D


The fiftheenth Palitoy card, it's basically the same same the 65 Back C except on the front the 'aged 4 and up' text is just written once in English where as on the 65 Back C it is written in three languages. As with the 65 C the offer date can be found there or marked out as seen below on the DSC


Return Of The Jedi Tri-Logo Hybrid 70 Back


The sixteenth and essentially the last of the Palitoy card, this card features the the same front as the 65 D in the fact it doesn't have the black bar under the ROTJ logo, but the 'ages 4 and up' text has gone back to the multi lingual version like the 65 A, B and C cards. In total, only 6 figures where released on the hybrid card, Both Bespin Security Guards (white and black), Greedo, Hammerhead, Snagglettoth and the Cloud Car Pilot.

The cards that followed from this point where the Tri-Logo's
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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:01 pm

If you just skip back to the top of the above post, take a look at the 88p price tag on the Luke Skywalker Palitoy 12 Back A

Now that's gotta make you sick!
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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:07 pm

@General Kahn wrote:
@Dutchskywalker wrote:
In the Netherlands and Belgium you also had to cut out the nameplates for the premiums, so an cut out name can come from other european sources then the UK.
The thing with production in the Netherlands & Belgium, Clipper only actually produced it's own card stock for the first SW 12 backs and the ESB 45 Backs, everything else was released on imported cardstock from Kenner, Kenner Canada, Palitoy and German General Mills, all of which are identifiable by the Clipper stickers applied to the cards, or at least by the tearing or residue left from attempts to remove these stickers. The name plate was used for the offers but the imported cards are still identifiable as being from the Netherlands or Belgium in the vast majority of cases because of the Clipper stickers or evidence that these stickers where once there.
The thing about the imported Kenner cards in the U.K. is that only the offer cards can be identidied as being from the U.K. by Palitoy stickers, all the others are just standard Kenner cards totally indistinguishable from there U.S. counterparts, so again it is likely that the vast majority of Kenner cards with the nameplate removed did originate from the U.K.
The interesting thing to me is the vast amount of imported Kenner cards which appear to have come from the U.K. because unlike Clipper who only produced two of it's own unique cards, Palitoy was producing it's own unique cards all the way from the SW 12 Back A's right the way through until the ROTJ 65 Back D's and even the Tri-Logo hybrids cards but still must have needed to import card stock from Kenner to meet production demand.

Here's an interesting example of a Klaatu on a Palitoy ROTJ 65 Back with the Clipper wrap around sticker. What makes this particular card interesting is that this came from my friends childhood collection and was bought in the U.K. making it possible that Palitoy or some distributers where importing overstock where ever to meet demand, in this case the Netherlands.

Learned a few things there General, Cheers mate cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Card back collectors thread   Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:18 pm

I don't have anything to contribute other to say I have a cardback collecting bug now. Evil or Very Mad 
I sold off most of my cardbacks but I will be expanding my foci' to include them now.
Thanks, Alex! ... you bastard! lol! 

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