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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Mon Dec 09, 2013 1:12 pm

Woohoo, I have a new Vader in my hands that will definitely be photo'd and posted tomorrow Smile

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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:44 pm

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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:15 am

Princess Leia Cape

Another mystery  unsure, I have two GL Leia capes in my collection which are not identical?!?! However I believe both are genuine.





Cape #1
- Cream'ish (maybe discoluration?)
- Feels rubbery/more flexible

Cape #2
- White
- Feels similar to Kenner but no pattern/zipping

The cut is slightly different see the comparison photos, now let me explain why I think both are genuine.

Before Cleaning





Before cleaning (with a soft sponge and warm soapy water)

- Brown stain on the outside
- Pink stain on the inside
- Stain & Figure positions match. Note right hand leg bends out slightly (Cape 1)

After Cleaning







- Staining due to plastic degrading? Maybe secreted oils over time due to the slightly different chemical composition of plastics used by Glasslite?
- Staining common to both capes (brown/pink'ish in colour)
- Staining matches figure position (#2 slightly off but cape is ripped so it doesn't sit properly)

Cape #1 came from a childhood collection, Cape #2 a well known Glasslite collector.

Q: Has anyone else noticed staining on their GL Leia Cape's?

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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:25 am

Darth Vader COO's

After all the searching to find and confirm the second GL Vader COO, I discovered to my surprise one of my latest figure purchases is the missing one!!  :clap: 




Differences

- The "9" in the date is lined up.
- The groove in vaders trousers run through the centre of the copyright symbol.
- Less scarring



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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:49 pm

Pics are not good enough, but maybe they help you Stef.

These pics are from the first wave of figures in Brazil, from the month of release, all bought in Rio.







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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:24 pm

here are 2 Glasslite Hans I received from Julio :







I couldn't get decent pics of the coo stamps to save my life but here's the best I could do :




These 2 Han figures remind me a bit of the Luke face color figures you talked a little about earlier in the thread Stef . The face/neck/hand colors are very different but is it a variation or degradation  scratch 
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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:52 pm

Thanks for the photos James  :clap: 

There is also a second COO for the Glasslite Han Solo, this one is smooth without the dots on. It's labelled as II-2b in Wolff's latest guide.

http://swspaceclub.com/wbobafett/coo-guide-3-0/anh/han-solo/#a

Yet again pale & pink flesh parts, I want to say discolouration but I've also owned figures which were a mixed on parts ie, pale neck, pink head.

Glasslite = ODD at times, the capes believe me are a pain in the a$$, I'm yet to find two matching one's with identical cuts, they all seem to be slightly different (ie 1-2mm wider/longer). More  study needed, and more figure Julio!!

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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:27 am

Snowtrooper factory damaged?

I've owned six snowtroopers, and two have suffered the same damage to the cape clip on the left hip. I didn't think much to it at first however I've now spotted several other examples.

Does anyone else own a damaged clip figure?


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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:34 pm

Hey Stef,

I only have one GL ST and his left clip is broken, but doesn't look like the way yours do (mine is still partially there).

Sorry about the crappy shots - its dark here right now. If you want better daylight shots, just ask.



and the COO money shot...


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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:52 am

Cheers Jay. Here's two recent ebay auctions, both with the left clip broken.







 scratch I seems odd that left clip if often broken considering (A) the rifle is held in the right hand so you would expect to see additional playwear on the right, and (B) the figure was supplied without a skirt, so again you would expect to see less place wear in this area compared to a Kenner snowtrooper.

However until a carded example turns up we can not cleanly identify weather this damage is down to playwear or damage during manufacturing. It is worth noting however that the plastic used by Glasslite does appear more brittle then the Kenner equivalents.

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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:22 am




Darth Vader


COO images used with the permission of wbobafett. His coo guide can be found here http://swspaceclub.com/wbobafett/coo-guide-3-0/

NOTES:
The Glasslite Darth Vader belongs to COO family #III this family contains two main COO marking variations.

The original mold tooling was stamped "HONG KONG" where the production for the earliest version of this figure took place. During the products life and possibly as part of a cost reduction exercise production was moved. There the country of origin "HONG KONG" was filled in, leaving a scar where the "HONG KONG" stamps once where.

The last modification, possibly a repair took place when the tooling was shipped to Brazil and Glasslite reworked the tooling leaving a slightly different scar pattern on the Glasslite figures.

The scarred COO shown on the far right is unique to Glasslite, therefore the closest COO relative is the Kenner scarred version which is used for the comparison below.

Darth Vader: Glasslite on the right


Darth Vader: Glasslite on the right


Darth Vader: Glasslite on the right


Darth Vader: Glasslite on the right


Darth Vader: Glasslite on the right


Darth Vader: Glasslite on the right


Darth Vader: Glasslite on the right


Darth Vader: Glasslite on the right


Darth Vader: Glasslite on the right


Darth Vader: Glasslite on the right


Darth Vader: Glasslite on the right


DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Glasslite Darth Vader has:

- Moulded in harder plastic
- The black plastic used has an overall more glossy appearance
- Different spray mask on chest plate
- Paler red paint detail
- Different spray mask on belt buckle with unpainted black raised circle
- Packaged with a semi-transparent v8 Lightsaber & unique cape
- One of the scarred COO's is slightly modified compared to Kenner's

ACCESSORIES:
The Glasslite Darth Vader came with a semi-transparent v8 Lightsaber compared to the Kenner v2 Lightsaber.

Darth Vader: Glasslite Lightsaber on top / Kenner Bottom


Darth Vader: Glasslite Lightsaber x2


DIFFERENCES:
Compared to the Kenner lighsaber, the Glasslite lightsaber is:

- Duller in colour
- Thicker Tip
- Larger in length
- Semi-transparent with flecking
- Floats during the water test

WATER TEST:
- Both lightsabers float when placed in water
- Kenner lightsaber sinks when tapped

Darth Vader: Glasslite/Kenner Lightsaber water test


Darth Vader: Glasslite/Kenner Lightsaber water test


CAPE:
The Glasslite Darth Vader came with a cape similar in overall size to it's Kenner counterpart however it has several distinguishing features.

Darth Vader: Glasslite Cape on the right


Darth Vader Cape: Comparison


Darth Vader Cape: Comparison


Darth Vader Cape: Comparison


Darth Vader Cape: Comparison


DIFFERENCES:
Compared to the Kenner cape, the Glasslite cape has:

- Large rounded bottom corners
- Wider space between the arm holes
- Smooth glossy inside finish with a faint 'manufacturing' lines, Kenner has a duller finish.
- Smooth matt outside finish, Kenner has a cross-hatch pattern and zips when you run your finger nail across it.

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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:03 am

Hey Leia, I'm over here!!

Pictured here are 3 Glasslite Leia's which are a mix of the two known COO's. If you notice Leia's head does not sit in the forward looking 'neutral' position but at approx. 21 degrees.

My personnel collection of Leia's variants is unfortunately somewhat tiny, therefore I ask the great TIG community once again for your help.

Another quirky Glasslite trait or common to certain COO families?






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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:30 am

Mine actually has a bit of the Exorcist in her...



Seriously, if you mean her head seems to have a "home" position (rotate the head and it seems to want to settle in a spot), then mine actually is like that too...




and she has a short leg to boot



OH and her torso is NOT that white by a long shot!!!

Anyway...............
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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:40 am

Most GL figures with soft heads (Han, Leia, Vader and Luke) have cracks in their necks.

You can also find this one Poch figures as well...which is in both cases a sign of the poor production! What leads to those is the "flashing" on the pins of the heads. These wer not removed, because. who cares...they cant been seen anyway!!!"

The problem is that the softer plastic gets hard in time. the flexibilizers tend to diffuse out of the plastic. So if you move the heads now the necks (that also got harder and more brittle in time) will crack!


So Jay: PLEASE do not move your heads on GL figures...this is russian roulette my friend!!

Leia looks in that way because flashing prevents the head being staright forward...IMO.. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:43 am

The clip on Snowtrooper:

It wasnt for great use on those figures because they came without cape. IMO these were pulled so roughly from the steelmolds that these eventually all broke already there. It would also explain why they are mostly broken to the right (on their left side). The same workers probably always freed them from the steelmolds in the same way Wink


I have seen also some Uzay that are always broken to the right (their left side).....funny.... Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:43 am

@wbobafett wrote:
Most GL figures with soft heads (Han, Leia, Vader and Luke) have cracks in their necks.

You can also find this one Poch figures as well...which is in both cases a sign of the poor production! What leads to those is the "flashing" on the pins of the heads. These wer not removed, because. who cares...they cant been seen anyway!!!"

The problem is that the softer plastic gets hard in time. the flexibilizers tend to diffuse out of the plastic. So if you move the heads now the necks (that also got harder and more brittle in time) will crack!


So Jay: PLEASE do not move your heads on GL figures...this is russian roulette my friend!!

Leia looks in that way because flashing prevents the head being staright forward...IMO.. Wink

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Thanks for the heads up, Wolff! I guess my video plans are off the table! haha

Makes sense and I should have thought before going for the humor first. Fortunately she is OK. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:59 am

@psybertech wrote:
Mine actually has a bit of the Exorcist in her...


Arrrggghhh!!!

@wbobafett wrote:
Most GL figures with soft heads (Han, Leia, Vader and Luke) have cracks in their necks.

You can also find this one Poch figures as well...which is in both cases a sign of the poor production! What leads to those is the "flashing" on the pins of the heads. These wer not removed, because. who cares...they cant been seen anyway!!!"

Leia looks in that way because flashing prevents the head being staright forward...IMO.. Wink

Thanks Wolff, poor production indeed. I thought i'd better ask first as I only own 3 different COO leia's! (note to self, buy more Leia's!!!)

@wbobafett wrote:
PS: I am in for all your spare Stef...you know what I am looking for if you ever have done research and want to get rid of those Very Happy:D

Wolff, I am a very unselfish collector and as each character entry is completed my spares are traded/sold on to other collectors. Nobody needs duplicates Wink

@wbobafett wrote:
The clip on Snowtrooper:

It wasnt for great use on those figures because they came without cape. IMO these were pulled so roughly from the steelmolds that these eventually all broke already there. It would also explain why they are mostly broken to the right (on their left side). The same workers probably always freed them from the steelmolds in the same way Wink

I have seen also some Uzay that are always broken to the right (their left side).....funny.... Very Happy


Thanks Wolff, again we share similar theories on poor production techniques. However finding a sealed one would be the icing on the cake.

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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:01 pm



One from the family album. Poor Han didn't listen to Uncle Wolff.  Sad 

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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:59 am

Snowtrooper COO's

By far the hardest Glasslite COO to find is the snowtrooper imo.

Shown below are two examples of both the left and right leg. I've tried to highlight the differences with the scar but it's a nightmare to photograph, I hope you're able to see them clearly enough?



COO with lower 1980 (shown on the left above)



COO with higher 1980 (shown on the right above)


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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:28 pm

@walkie wrote:


ACCESSORIES:
The Glasslite Chewbacca came with a v1 Zuckuss Rifle compared to a v2 Chewbacca Bowcaster. As Glasslite produced the POTF and Droids lines at the same time it should be considered that the Chewbacca & Jord Dusat Rifles came from the same factory stock and should be considered identical.
 
Chewbacca Rifle: Glasslite Top / Kenner Bottom


Chewbacca Rifle: Glasslite Top / Kenner Bottom


EXTRA:
Comparision photos showing the Glasslite v1 Zuckuss Rifle compared to Kenner v1 Zuckuss Rifle. The Glasslife version appears to have no obvious mould differences  therefore a simple three point checklist can be addopted to identify a genuine Glasslite Rifle.

- Finish = Shiny
- Length = Longer that v1 Kenner
- Water Test = Sink when tapped

Chewbacca Rifle: Comparison


Chewbacca Rifle: Comparison


Chewbacca Rifle: Length Test


Chewbacca Rifle: Length Test


DIFFERENCES:
Compared to the Kenner Rifle, the Glasslite Rifle is:

- Shiny finish
- Larger flashing marks on the top of the rifle
- Longer in length
- Sinks during water test

WATER TEST:
- Both Rifles float when placed in water
- Glasslite Rifle sinks when tapped

Chewbacca Rifle: Water Test


Chewbacca Rifle: Water Test

Just a quick remind of an old discussion thread about the Glasslite Chewies variant:

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t3928-glasslite-chewie-variantthoughts?highlight=chewie+glasslite

in that thread i took a pict of both known examples of the GL rifles variants:

I thought this could be useful.
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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:45 pm

@javiswspain wrote:
Just a quick remind of an old discussion thread about the Glasslite Chewies variant:

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t3928-glasslite-chewie-variantthoughts?highlight=chewie+glasslite

in that thread i took a pict of both known examples of the GL rifles variants:

I thought this could be useful.
Cheers
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Javi, thank you for reminding me of that thread. Including my GL Jord Dusat I've owed 5 original GL rifles whilst compiling this guide, all 5 have been 1) Longer, 2) Glossy and 3) have SUNK during the water test. The most interesting comment is by Henrik...

@HWR wrote:
I was discussing those Glasslite weapons with Kenneth this past Saturday. I told me he have both carded, but there was a small crack in the bubble on Chewbacca and Snowtrooper, so the weapons could be removed. He called me today and said he did the water test on the two weapons and asked if I would post the results here.

Snowtrooper: sinks
Chewbacca (silvery version): floats

So it seems like both this silvery version and the shiny version (which sinks) are legitimate Glasslite weapons.

Interestingly he states a "slivery" version which comes from split bubble of kenneth's FLOATS. Now I do own a 6th example which came from Brazil however several other items in the same collection were fake, therefore I can not credit the legitimacy of the 6th rifle.

This rifle whilst colour wise is slightly greyer/silvery? than a KENNER rifle fails two of the test criteria, 1) length same as KENNER, 2) it FLOATS

It's not unknown for KENNER items to end up in Brazil and Brazilian auction sites are littered with KENNER items, in fact I recently found a PBP Tie-Fighter Pilot with AT-AT Emblems in Argentina in played with condition, how bizarre is that??

Now the whole float v's sink scenario boils down to the density of the plastic used, if the desnity is less then water it floats and vice-versa, so why would Glasslite use two different types of plastic?

The chart below shows typical density's for several types of common plastics.



So the question are?

1) Was Kenneth's (his ears will be burning!) rifle replaced. If he can remove it so could the previous owner. I will need to contact Kenneth to investigate.

2) Why would Glasslite use two types of plastic? I believe they only produced the star wars range for 2-3 years so the life span was very limited.

3) Rifle length, the rifles appear to be the same mold, so is the length purely down to shrinkage due to the different plastics used?

Once again thank you for your comments Javi, I never shy away from constructive criticism or queries.

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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:08 pm

Thanks for the reply Stef,BTW i received the GL Chewie, now i have both stamps and both rifles again , thanks!

Back to the topic, i bought both of my rifles from a Brazilian source, as Lee did as well... and Kenneth have a carded example( opened bubble), all of those rifles are made some kind of metallic/silverish plastic, whatever you want to call it , but different from a regular Kenner rifle.I have only one of those silverish rifles BUT I have had dozens of Kenner rifles and NO ONE like the one which comes with my GL Chewie.

Could you please tell how many possibilities there are that a brazilian seller bought a kenner rifle for completing his GL Chewie ,so he can sell it for more money? i know the reply:MANY... but now, how many possibilities there are that 3 different brazilian buyers receive from 3 different "US sellers"the same silverish and SCARCE rifle in the 3 examples??

You are asking why Glasslite would use two types of plastic in only 2-3 years of production?i don't know why but, you would have the reply on your own guides(?)in your guide you can find:

-(at least) two types of plastic used on: the face of Luke farm boy ,Leia, Han and in the body of Chewie

-Different paint application on :Luke,Leia ,Han,Snowie etc….

-(at least)2 different stamps in most of them…

-2 different capes on Leia…

So, i can't understand why you can't imagine that they would never use two kinds of plastic on the Chewie rifle(?)
BTW :you said that your 6th rifle from brazilian source is the silverfish one(like the ones we have found) and  no a typical Kenner one, right?the fact that the rest of the items on that lot were fake, doesn't means that the silverish  rifle should be fake too, right? Wink

Just my two cents
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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:56 pm

Javi, thanks for your comments, after all this is a discussion thread Smile

I agree that the floating rifles look different to Kenner/Lili Ledy.

As Lee will be the easiest logistically to deal with I will contact him to organise a side by side comparison of mine and his floating rifles to see if they match.

I'm guessing no one has done this yet?

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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:41 am

Great effort Stef an Javi!!! Very Happy

Here is a cracked Luke taht once belonged to me:



You better should NEVER try to move the head! Wink
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PostSubject: Re: GLASSLITE GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD    Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:54 am

Kenneth has been kind enough to send me this images to share of his 2nd variant Chewbacca Rifle...

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Here are the promised pics of the Glasslite "alternative/second" variant Chewie rifle. It passed the water test (floats).






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* To Visit The Glasslite Guide & Discussion Thread Click Me! Or The Droids Guide & Discussion Thread Click Me!
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