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PostSubject: Royal guard pike help.   Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:01 am

Is this a known pike for the royal guard.
Has an extra line in the tip. Flexable and slightly darker grey.
The texture is a little rougher.
Thanks for any help.


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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:15 am

Dude my eyes are hurting unsure

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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:31 am

Photos are not the best, I know, tongue
I will add better day pics if needed.
Want to be sure before the get binned.
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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:28 am

mine too Razz ....not sure what you are asking for mate! To me these look all the same...just more flashing and properly bad molded....am I wrong??
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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:10 am

Are they real or repro,
below the tip area of the pike (second photo), the gap between the last molded line is further apart
does anyone have the same, I looked at the weapon guide here, but this distance between the line is not mentioned.
Also the texture on these is rougher, I thought they are supposed to be smooth
I have 5 of my royal guard pikes like these, and will need to replace them if these are repro
I suck at identifying pikes and staffs. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:18 pm

I only have six staffs and although there are some subtle mold differences/flaws between them, none have that extra line/ring detail scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:24 pm

sorry dude can't help out here I have two guards but am missing the staff for both.
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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:56 am

I have tons of ERG pikes, but i am still not sure what you are asking Oscar???

What is the extra line to the tip?? Does that mean it has three lines to the tip? All pikes have two lines to the tip...some are more visible some not....

I am guessing you mean that the area were the two steelmold parts should form a line (flashing) is extra wide on yours?? This can be from removing the pike too soon from the mold.

If you can explain me more detailed what the problem is I will check mine...okay?? We are talking this pic right??



Which is the pike you are suspecting?? The one in the middle??
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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:54 am

Thanks for your help guys.
I apologise if I have made it too confusing. doh

Chris has put it better than I did, Very Happy
I am refering the the details of the rings and the distance between them, around the top of the pikes

The distance of the last ring ( shown in yellow lines )
is further apart than the normal distance of the other rings ( shown in red dots )
I cant find any reference to the distance of the last ring being further apart,
all the photos I look at, don't show this distance of the last ring on the pikes
which is making me think these are repops.
All three pikes are the same.

Hope this picture will show what I am refering to.
Thanks for any help.


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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:01 pm

ahar...I couldn't find differences between those three because they aren't different... Razz .....I will check mine!

Just to say something stupid before checking: Theoretically there should be three pike molds! Because there is three families: MIHK, HK (on boot) and TW...though

We know from LL (MIHK) that all MIHK (LL and Kenner) must come with the EMP ones....though....
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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:09 pm

I have none with extra line.....though.

I have about 17 pikes! What does that mean now?? Not sure.....IMO fake. But let us see what others will say!

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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:40 am

Thanks Wolff, for some reason I knew they would be fake,
damn, I have 5 like this.
Feel free to add these photos to the weapons section,
so no one else buys them thinking they are real, like I did.
Thanks again.
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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:28 am

Oscar, I am sorry to hear that.

Can you tell us more about those? Where have you purchased those? Country? Seller? Would be interesting though.....

I feel lots more trouble will occure in future. Injection mold seems pretty cheap these days......the fakes are getting better and better Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:14 am

Thanks Wolff,
I bought all the royal guards I have 3-4 years ago from ebay,
as an army lot, from the UK, but I don't remember the seller ID.

I have been going through all my figures and have found a few repro weapons.
Worst thing is I recently sold my spare weapons, which were all originals. Embarassed
They would have come in handy now. Neutral

My repro bag is getting bigger. doh






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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:11 am

M4K3R1 wrote:


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Worst thing is I recently sold my spare weapons, which were all originals.  Embarassed


Sounds familiar to me! Razz

Seriously...they come and go....a bit like women....some are fake...some are expensive...and some are fake and expensive Razz Razz Razz

Good luck with the hunt my friend.
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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:38 am

wbobafett wrote:
M4K3R1 wrote:


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Worst thing is I recently sold my spare weapons, which were all originals.  Embarassed


Sounds familiar to me! Razz

Seriously...they come and go....a bit like women....some are fake...some are expensive...and some are fake and expensive Razz Razz Razz

Good luck with the hunt my friend.

lol!lol!lol!
That's a very true description of vintage weapons. Made me laugh.
Like this, definatelly fake, and definatelly expensive. :Drool:
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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:42 pm

Shocked Shocked how many hands do you need for that???


Good you had a laugh my friend!! Let me know when you need another cheering up cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Fri Aug 29, 2014 5:28 pm

:Drool: Kagney Lynn Karter Mmmmmmmm :Drool:

None of mine have that extra line either Oscar.
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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:46 pm

General Kahn wrote:


None of mine have that extra line either Oscar.
none here.

So what's the third family pike?
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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:56 am

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So what's the third family pike?

That is a ghood question....not sure if I have ever found out but if I remeber right the lines to the top of the pike are different on two plus the one with EPMs....

But the one Oscar posted is IMO a Repro.... :/
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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:56 pm

Checked the two I have and they're not the same either.

Oscar, have you float tested them yet? Originals float and rise back to the surface when submerged.

Known repros can float too - and sink. Be interested to know what yours do.

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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:01 pm

Thanks for checking yours everyone.
The ones I posted in the photos all float
-Floats when placed in water
-Floats when dropped into water
-Floats when placed in water and pushed down
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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:48 pm

aussiejames wrote:
General Kahn wrote:


None of mine have that extra line either Oscar.
none here.

So what's the third family pike?


I have three different pikes in my collection:

From the pics on the guide I think that V1 matches the pike on my first pic but I'm not completely sure if there is that mismatch on the top of the upper lines on V1.

V2 matches with my second pic.

So my third pic should be the missing V3 (or it's repro ... I'm not sure ... never paid much attention to ERG pikes till now Wink ).

I've included also a fourth pic because it's slightly different to the first.






Top down: Pic 1-4





Top down: Pic 1-4 marked





Top down: Pic 1-4 details

Pic1 (=V1?): mismatch on the top of the upper lines
Pic2 (=V2): EPMs
Pic3 (= missing V3?): thicker than the others (no mismatch on the top of the upper lines, no EPMs)
Pic4 (similar to V1): like V1 but the two sides of the mould don't quite line up (similar to the repro one on the guide)!?
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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:17 am

Checked some ERG MOC pics on the web ... most of them were too bad to decide which pike was packed ... Sad

But I found a few pics of Made in Taiwan ERGs (MITW) that were clear enough. They showed definately that pike V1 (at least my personal V1 (=pic1), still not a 100% sure if it's the same  unsure ) was packed with.

As Wolff mentioned above pike V2 belongs to the Made in Hong Kong ERG (MIHK).

wbobafett wrote:
... We know from LL (MIHK) that all MIHK (LL and Kenner) must come with the EMP ones ...

Deducted by elimination V3 should be the correct mould for ERG Hong Kong on boots (HK).



So in brief:

Pike V1 - MITW ERG
Pike V2 - MIHK ERG
Pike V3 - HK ERG



Remaining questions:

1. Does my pic1 really show pike V1?

2. Does my pic3 really show the missing pike V3? (Or is it just another repro?)

3. Is the pike on my pic4 just a poor mould of V1? (Or is it just another repro?)



What do you think, gentlemen?  thinking
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PostSubject: Re: Royal guard pike help.   Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:09 am

Thanks for chiming in Patrick, great info on pairing pike molds to correct coo
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