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PostSubject: Black Imperial Blaster; Kenner? Crap or other variant?   Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:37 am

I don't post often on this board, but here I have an issue I don't have a real answer to.

A (well known) collector sold me this blaster a year ago. I bought it as a black blaster for Luke Stormtrooper (Kenner).
Another collector recently stated that it might be not Kenner, but PBP or another variation. I searched the reference guid here on TIG but am still unsure.

Any suggestions on this one? I hope the pics are sufficient.
http://s871.photobucket.com/user/battletank_album/library/TIG%20blaster%20question

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PostSubject: Re: Black Imperial Blaster; Kenner? Crap or other variant?   Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:04 pm

No one here who can help?
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PostSubject: Re: Black Imperial Blaster; Kenner? Crap or other variant?   Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:40 pm

Sorry to say its repro Sad

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PostSubject: Re: Black Imperial Blaster; Kenner? Crap or other variant?   Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:53 pm

From my understanding there are 6 repros in this set, although some are missing from the TIG weapons guide...



Characteristics

Black in colour
Glossy finish
Excessive flashing
Hard to bend
All float during the water test

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PostSubject: Re: Black Imperial Blaster; Kenner? Crap or other variant?   Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:31 am

Agree with Stef it looks repro Sad Doublecheck against the breakdown he posted.
If you can confirm if it floats (and stays floating when pushed under water) that would be a great help.


@walkie wrote:


Characteristics

Black in colour
Glossy finish
Excessive flashing
Hard to bend
All float during the water test


The full set of these repros will all be added to the guide soon.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Imperial Blaster; Kenner? Crap or other variant?   Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:43 am

Artoo_Detour wrote:
The full set of these repros will all be added to the guide soon.

Do you have photos of them all?

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PostSubject: Re: Black Imperial Blaster; Kenner? Crap or other variant?   Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:49 am

No Stef I've only got two maybe three and I'll need to check which ones. If you've got some pics please feel free to post them in the Dev section for me to grab Cool

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PostSubject: Re: Black Imperial Blaster; Kenner? Crap or other variant?   Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:22 am

I am late to this thread, but yes same batch of fakes



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PostSubject: Re: Black Imperial Blaster; Kenner? Crap or other variant?   Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:42 am

Paul/AJ, check the dev section I'm pretty sure there are now some more 'new' undocumented repros on the market. links are provided there as well.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Imperial Blaster; Kenner? Crap or other variant?   Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:14 am

@walkie wrote:
Paul/AJ, check the dev section I'm pretty sure there are now some more 'new' undocumented repros on the market. links are provided there as well.

Got em. I think you're right Sad


Back to the batch of repros that the OP questioned and AJ's pic of the Imperial Blaster... do we know when this batch first hit the market?

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PostSubject: Re: Black Imperial Blaster; Kenner? Crap or other variant?   Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:54 am

Not sure but they've been discussed before, maybe AJ knows as he posted inthis thread back in 2012, a few of the guns are in the photo archive, do we know when they were submitted?

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t3781-fake-black-palace-blasters?highlight=repro+black+jawa

I also posted a watch out for the black a-wing gun as an ebay seller was using the float as a proof the item was legit!!! Sad

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t7245-red-flags-imperial-gunner-blaster-r2-d2-pop-up-saber-seller-jedi-gas?highlight=pop+saber

I have multiples of all accept the smuggler blaster, but I know the a-wing and place blasters are very common. Maybe worth an write up on there own if we can establish more facts? I've be happy to provide high res photos from multiple angles and float test images.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Imperial Blaster; Kenner? Crap or other variant?   Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:57 am

Cheers Stef. Yes go for it if you fancy making a write up. You already have the breakdown of their characteristics, just need to try and nail down any dates and what country they first originated ideally.The biggest thing about these I can see so far is that they all float and the Palace blasters have the correct dots.
Individual shots, a group shot, float tests, and some detail pics of flashing, moulding, bubbles etc would be good.

I've checked IG and looks like we have the Jawa V4 and Palace Blaster V3 repros currently on the guide.


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PostSubject: Re: Black Imperial Blaster; Kenner? Crap or other variant?   Sun May 31, 2015 7:23 am

Hi guys new to this forum but not to collecting Smile

i have had these 2 imperial blasters for a while am im finding it difficult to ID them...they both pass the float test but there is something amiss about their design that im just not sure about...the black one i know came with a batch of tri-logo stormtroopers from a childhood (alleged) collection but the green one i have had longer...any ideas would be appreciated Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Black Imperial Blaster; Kenner? Crap or other variant?   Sun May 31, 2015 9:36 am

You can see the mould seam all the way around the weapons- no injection point/sprue limb.
"It has excess flashing and in-hand has a slight Green colour to it. There is no sprue tree break on the bottom of the magazine and the handle lacks crisp detail.

The blaster compares well to an original for the drop test. For the float test it will float even when pressure is applied. The blaster feels rigid with just a small amount of flexibility."



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PostSubject: Re: Black Imperial Blaster; Kenner? Crap or other variant?   Sun May 31, 2015 9:44 am

I have an identical one to your green/blue blaster at the top. I'll post some pics and my thoughts later this afternoon. Welcome to the forum by the way Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Black Imperial Blaster; Kenner? Crap or other variant?   Sun May 31, 2015 9:47 am

Looks like AJ beat me to it. It's also worth mentioning that if you apply a little pressure they will snap in half. I know I just did it to mine LOL!!

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PostSubject: Re: Black Imperial Blaster; Kenner? Crap or other variant?   Sun May 31, 2015 2:00 pm

Thanks for the fast response guys! I thought the lack of sprue on the bottom of the magazine was the most obvious giveaway...as i said they just didn't look right to me the finish is very flat and the lack of detail on the grip as well...more repro **** for the bin Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Black Imperial Blaster; Kenner? Crap or other variant?   Sun May 31, 2015 6:19 pm

Just one more thing...i have a black smuggler blaster that seems to be of this new repro doing the rounds (glossy/extra flashing as posted previously with the pack of others) but i'm not 100% sure so once again i appeal to your boundless knowledge Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Black Imperial Blaster; Kenner? Crap or other variant?   Sun May 31, 2015 8:13 pm

^^ yep fake
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