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PostSubject: Poch snowtrooper with PBP cape Questions    Mon May 25, 2015 7:03 pm

recently acquired this snowtrooper from spain. cheers
I was told it is a poch snowtrooper with a pbp cape .
ive read the poch threads and still would like opinions on it
. it has excessive plastic between the legs , it was acquired from spain.
the welding is not good.
I keep reading about a mark on the right arm. what mark is that on the poch trooper?
there is a mark on the left arm as you can see in the pics . ive also read the cape should have slits and be a more flexible material. it has holes and is very flexible unlike any other cape I have on any snowtrooper. so check the pics and let me know what ya'll experts think , thanks bill cheers Angry SW Angry SW





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PostSubject: Re: Poch snowtrooper with PBP cape Questions    Tue May 26, 2015 5:19 pm

not sure whether the Hothtrooper is Poch or not.

But you can find more about the cape here

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t4994p150-imperialgunnery-com-track-the-updates-here




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PostSubject: Re: Poch snowtrooper with PBP cape Questions    Wed May 27, 2015 1:31 am

Normally the cape with the round holes is associated with the PBP/Euro Snowtrooper.

Lately I have received a Poch Snowtrooper with this cape from a Spanish childhood.
It could be a mix up that happened during childhood  while renacting the Battle of Hoth with friends on the playyard.

Or maybe some Poch Snowtroopers were packed with the PBP capes on the card while making a transition from the Poch to the PBP era.

Often the Poch Snowtrooper has a scar in the upper right arm just underneath the shoulder armor. Probably this reflects a mould defect coupled to the batch of limbs which were used to produce these figures. See the picture below. Poch figure on the right.



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PostSubject: Re: Poch snowtrooper with PBP cape Questions    Wed May 27, 2015 7:21 am

well my trooper has the mark!!!! cheers cheers
very excited , it was sold to me as poch ....

the seller ive been getting all my poch stuff from SLOWLY as they can be a bit pricey
only speaks the littlest bit of English and its very broken as well. I just wanna be sure what im getting
is poch and not something else , so thank you Chris and Marco , cheers cheers
cheers , Bill Angry SW Angry SW Angry SW
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PostSubject: Re: Poch snowtrooper with PBP cape Questions    Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:17 pm

I read this post and I find it very interesting. In particular the picture of the cape posted by hellhippie i find very interesting. At first sight this cape looks the same as the other YPS/PBP/TRILOGO capes, including the one posted by general kahn where chris.75 refers to:

http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t4994p150-imperialgunnery-com-track-the-updates-here

But the cape posted by general kahn is in fact not the same cape as posted by hellhippie. I have both types of capes in my possession and although they look the same at first glance they are not at all. I will try to explain. I will first post a picture of the NON glossy side of both capes:



The one on the left is like the one posted by hellhippie and the one on the right is like the one posted by general kahn. Pay close attention to this part to distinguish both capes. They look the same if you look closely (reverse the cape if necessary) and you will see that this cut will not match.



This is a picture of the glossy side of both capes:



Both capes are flexible and glossy on one side but

Cape #1 is almost as glossy on the other side, very white, 2mm longer than cape #2
Cape #2 is very rough on the not glossy side, a bit yellowed

I have my doubts about cape #1 (the same as hellhippies cape), but I still hope they are both legit.

I have another cape just like cape #2: I will call it cape #3. The shape and size of cape #2 and cape #3 is 100% the same, also in respect of the cuts on the top. The only difference between cape # 2 and cape #3 is the colour (cape#2 is bit yellowed and cape #3 is white) and the rough side of cape #2 is very rough on cape #3 is less rough.

I will now post a picture of the NON glossy side of the 3 capes together (PAY attention because I have mixed up the order :I am stupid: ).

The order is cape #2 , cape #3 and cape #1



And now the glossy side:

again cape #2, cape #3, cape #1



All three capes are made of a different material. I suppose that the difference in material between cape #1, cape #2 and #3 (and thus the difference in roughness on the non glossy side) could be due to the fact that in the factory they just took another material when the old batch was finished.

Also the difference in colour could be explained, due to colour fading over time. However capes #2 and #3 are 100% the same as for the size and shape. Cape #1 has a different cut at the top and is 2mm longer.

I hope they all 3 are legit. As said I have my doubts about cape #1, the one like hellhippie. I hope that some one can shed a light on this and can confirm that they are all 3 legit. Maybe even confirm that one of the capes should in fact be attributed to a certain figure, like for example a PBP/poch figure, the YPS or the PBP/TRILOGO.










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PostSubject: Re: Poch snowtrooper with PBP cape Questions    Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:51 pm

If the material is notably different you cant gauge glossiness or non glossiness as you are comparing apples to oranges. Even if the material was sourced by whatever company did these(poch/pbp) from the same source the company who supplies them could have had different methods and with something like a thin sheet of vinyl even a slight change in one ingredient can cause a different feel or look.

I worked for a plastics company for a short bit and can tell you that not even ingredient change but other things has an effect. if the roller was to hot the plastic looked almost melty/liquid like and had a bright sheen to it as it was wound onto the rollers. If it was to cold the plastic looked hazy and was not as clear or translucent and that is just at the packaging area not even the hopper where the individual beads were put in. If the beads were made differently it looked different. This is a batch to batch tolerance that was given so long as the various test showed it was in compliance. So one batch looked slightly different to another, not huge but enough to be within tolerance yet slightly different appearance.

As far as the cut, there are things that can make the cut vary a bit. My understanding of these capes where they are die cut from stacked sheets. I explained in another thread how a dull die can cause the top layers to stretch out while cutting. Remember these would likely be cut with force versus heat as heat on this thin material would cause melting and ruin the product. So as a die goes through the layers if it is dull it can stretch the top layers making them larger than the bottom. I don't know how many layers would cut at one time, but if it was multiple layers the top could potentially stretch almost all the way to the bottom layer before releasing. Is that what happened here? It honestly doesn't look like it, but I don't know. It almost looks like the die was changed to a larger die. We don't know if that is what happened though as we don't have a kenner employee here to say.

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PostSubject: Re: Poch snowtrooper with PBP cape Questions    Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:39 pm

Hi trappedtexan. Thank you very much (again) for your imput. I have no understanding of the process of making a vinyl sheet, so I cannot comment on that. But I understand what you are saying and it sounds plausible that different production batches can result in different sheets of vinyl of different quality depending on the circumstances.

As for the glossyness and non glossyness, the only thing I wanted to point out is (maybe I was not clear but that is due to the fact that I am not a native English speaker) all YPS/PBP capes I have in my possession and all YPS/PBP capes that I have had in my hands in the past from other people have a smooth side that is very glossy. The other side allways has some sort of texture. Sometimes very rough and sometimes less rough and sometimes allmost as smooth as the glossy side.

As for the cut. I agree that due to the proces (as you explainded it in the leia taiwan cape thread) the capes can vary a bit. The one thing that struck me was that my cape #2 and #3 are a 100% perfect match, both having also the same small cuts at the top at exactly the same place. I think it is allmost impossible to fake it exactly the same. My conclusion therefore is they must both be real or both be repro.

The other cape (cape #1) is clearly a different cut as cape #2 and #3. Maybe it is dificult to see on the pictures, but when you have the capes in your hand you can see that better. I would like to add, that I have had another exactly the same cape as cape #1 in my hand not so long ago. The capes (cape #1 and a cape I do not own) were equal in size, having these same cuts at the top, the same in colour and smoothness. Both capes were allmost equally smooth on both sides. Again my conclusion is: cape #1 and this cape I do not own, must both be real or both be repro.

So when I saw a cape similar to my cape #1 on this thread, I wanted to know more about that particular cape on this thread. For instance is it also smooth on both sides. Is it real.

In the end, I just want to know if people think my 3 capes are real. What do you think? Do you think all these 3 capes are legit?




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