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PostSubject: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Wed May 10, 2017 2:46 pm

Hey folks... since work on my Falcon has stalled for awhile I was able to procure this little beauty.  



It's the Zvezda Star Destroyer and this thing is a monster of a kit!  Came straight from Russia and I understand Revell will be selling it here in the States very soon!  




Beautifully detailed and oh so lovely!  Here are some detail shots to show just how lovely it is.







It's a far cry from the old AMT/Ertl/MPC ISD kits that came out when I was a kid and boy does this thing beg to be lit!  I figured I would take the time to do this up real quick and see just what I could do with it!  I plan to put all the fibers in it and light the engines up too while I'm at it, and just for good measure, I'll make it remote controlled!  Lemme know what you all think of it!  More to come as I continue!


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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Wed May 10, 2017 3:44 pm

Very cool! Look forward to seeing this.

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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Thu May 11, 2017 11:47 am

Looking over the details I know I'm gonna be doing lighting in this thing, so it's time to prep.  Here's a list of things I needed:

- 64 strand fiber optic cable - Need about 50 feet - Best source: www.thefiberopticstore.com
- LEDs - Warm White bulbs were used in the original prop, I'm thinking 3x5mm, 4x1.8mm, and 2-3x3mm - Best source: www.modeltrainsoftware.com/ledlights1.html
- Microdrill - Over the years I've come to find that these little micro drills from the old AMT Fiber Optic kits were the best for drilling fiber holes.  The nice thing they come with a section of 64 strand fiber cable, a battery box, a plug and adapter, a switch, and a bunch of stuff you probably won't need but that will last you awhile. Best Source: Ebay - However, since AMT went bust, this same little drill is sold as a mixer on Amazon now (only without the bits but don't worry, I'll show you how to make your own drill bits) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E39LYO/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
- #80 or #79 micro drill bits - It's been debated about which bits the micro drill comes with but I find both work well with the 64 strand fibers.  Best Source: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002T7JHOW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
- Black and White Paint - No brainer!

The Microdrill that comes in the Fiber Optic Kits usually came with 3 bits.  But these things are so fragile you'll end up breaking them all before you get the hang of using this tool.  They came in many of the AMT kits that sold with Fiber Optics but they are getting harder and harder to find.  You can find the micro drill in the following kits:



If you can't find any of those kits, you can get the drill on Amazon without the drill bits sold as a mixer now with 4 little mixing attachments (can use the metal one for mixing paints!).  Link is above but it looks like this:



How to make your own drill bits for the AMT Micro Drill:
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Using the sources I listed above you'll also need some straight bits of cut up sprue about a inch in length.  Drill a 2mm hole in the end and stick it into the end of your drill making sure it spins when you turn it on.  Then, melt the other end of the sprue and quickly insert a #80 or #79 drill bit as far into the plastic sprue piece as you can.  Try to get it as close to the center as possible.  Before it cools completely, turn on the drill and place your finger against the side of the bit until it completely centered.  Heating the bit with a lighter to soften the plastic will help. When the bit tip spins without wobble, it's completely centered and ready to be used to drill with.  You can secure the bit in the plastic with some 5 minute epoxy glue to help secure it in place for drilling.  You'll probably need more then one of these so have fun making your bits and it really is that easy!

My Method for Fiber Optic Placement
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I got my drill bits ready




I've got a few different drills... I've got the Tamiya Drill (great little hobby drill, won't hold these bits)




I even got this really cool skinny barrel end lighting precision screwdriver...




But for some reason, I always end up going back to my old AMT Micro Drill





However, the bits are hard to find for them anymore since they don't make them anymore.  So that means I would would have to make my own (see method above LOL).  First I made myself a few drill bits.  Wanting to play with my 3D printer I actually made a few bit holders that printed up awesomely!  I'm now ready to start drilling my holes!  Time to prep the model for drilling... More to come!
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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Thu May 11, 2017 11:58 am

I put the main assembly together and realized something. I'll have to drill thru two layers of plastic on this thing. Oh joy of joys! One layer is rough enough on these hair width drill bits but two is gonna be even harder on them! Well... needless to say, the drilling progressed...



Drilling holes...



More holes...



Oh look... more holes...



Just keep drilling... just keep drilling... drilling... drilllllllllliiiiinnnnngggg....



Did I forget... more holes?



Nope... they are there... here's some more!



After a week of drilling... and going cross eyed, not only can I see the screen as I write this I'm also looking at my keyboard at the same time! Win win! I only broke 12 out of the 24 bits I bought! Awesome! Better then I expected... More to come!
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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Thu May 11, 2017 2:38 pm

So now I got my holes drilled, and I gotta tell ya, it was a pain in the tuckass, but it's done.  Not many know why or what fiber optics are and what they do, so here's the skinny on it.  Fiber Optics consist of glass or plastic wires that transmit light almost 100%.  They come in a variety of sizes and some even in color.  They have basic "end glow" and "side glow" fibers (I'll get into those later).  But what it basically means is this... if you take a light and shine it at one end of a fiber, no matter what the length of that fiber, the light will come out the other end same intensity that it went in... like this...


So basically a fiber optic is an electrical wire for LIGHT!  Pretty cool right?  They use them everywhere, but you've probably seen them in those toys and lamps.



The reason its used in modeling is that you can control where your light is going much more precisely.  Without fibers none of this would be possible.  You'd have to put a light bulb or LED everywhere you wanted a little light, with fibers, you could put a whole bunch of fibers in a model and only need 1 light source to power them all.  Pretty cool right?  Well... here's how you do it.

First you drill your holes... you wanna use a drill bit the same size or slightly bigger then the diameter of the fiber you want to use.  Now what I'm using here is a #79 drill bit... its makes extremely tiny holes (as you could see from my last post!).

Let's prep our fiber...


I'm using 64 strand fiber cable. Basically what that is is a bundle of .25mm fiber strands all bundled together in a single cable (kinda like a multistrand wire) and surrounded by a dark plastic sheath coating.  With this cable I have to strip the plastic sheath coating off the cable to get to the fibers, it's a pain, but its worth it!   Now one you have a single fiber, you hold the end of it near a heat source... I don't like to use open flame, so I use a cigarette.  I move the end near the heat of the cig but don't actually touch it.  What happens is the end will melt slightly and form a mushroom type head on the end.  



This is very important.  It's tedious but it has to be done with every fiber I'm using.  Some model builders skip this step and just glue the fiber in the hole with a little bit of it hanging out.  Then they paint and snip that little end off close to the surface so that it looks like a window.  Personally I prefer mushrooming because it makes things so much easier as you progress.


Now you take the fiber and thread it thru the hole with the mushroom facing outside the model and pull it thru and glue it in place (you can save the gluing for after you get a section done).  Don't just use any old glue you find.  Superglue isn't good with fibers.  It's considered a "hot" cure and will eat the fiber itself, and then you'll lose the whole effect you were going for to begin with.  Some epoxy glues work but again they are considered "hot" glues and will melt the fibers.  The best glue I've found to use is regular old Elmer's White Glue... that same glue that you used to eat in kindergarten when you were a kid (yes you did, admit it!  We all did!).  It doesn't stick super strong to the plastic of the kit, but it will hold the fibers in place securely and won't damage them at all.  One great thing about it too is that if you make a mistake you can always soak it in water and it'll come undone without doing any damage to the model or the fibers and you can start over again!



So now that we got the fiber pulled all the way thru, here's what it looks like.  These fibers are so small that they are barely visible but, if you take a light and shine it on the other end of the fiber (I'm using a flashlight here), you'll see what happens!  


And it's just that easy... no fuss, no muss, and the effect is stunning!  This is exactly what they did in the movies for so many models and is exactly what this kit needs to make it shine like the star she is!  Hope this helps anyone who is thinking about doing something like this for themselves.  Lemme know what you think and I'll sit here and work some more on this baby!
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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Fri May 12, 2017 7:13 am

Well I started putting fibers in... I began by putting in the fibers on the front lower hull... god there are alot of lights on this thing!



Then I started putting fibers on the back of the upper tier sections...



Then I was sitting there after about 3 hours of this and realized that I was gonna have to paint this puppy first!  Oops!  So after smacking myself in the head, I pulled all the fibers out that I had just put in... Why?  Well if I put the fibers in now and paint afterward, I'll cover all the little lights with paint and then I'd have to go and scrape the paint off every little fiber end to allow the light to shine thru... so, after ripping out all the fibers I HAD JUST PUT IN, I painted the whole thing flat black! You'll see why soon!

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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Fri May 12, 2017 11:45 am

Very cool explanation. Also very tedious work. well worth it in the end as I remember a certain c3po and r2 model that resides in my house shining very brightly. Keep up the great work but don't forget the falcon. I want to see it done before my death. lol! lol!

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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Sun May 14, 2017 12:44 pm

Ok... painting this thing is pretty simple... don't need to worry about a special kind of paint or color because the whole thing is light grey.  So... the only colors that I'm gonna use are flat black and white.  I started by painting everything flat black and letting it dry....



After letting the black cure completely, I then took a post-it note and took my white paint and began by placing the post-it against the surface and painting the corners and edges randomly over the surface following the lines of the hull.



This created little lighter and darker spots all over the surface.  Then I took my flat white and just did a couple of light dustings allowing the darker colors underneath to show thru the white and it gave it this really cool effect that made it look like various panels were used in the construction of the hull itself.  I am very pleased with the results.  Here's a few pics to show off the results.  












Now onto the fiber installation!  More to come!


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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Sun May 14, 2017 5:18 pm

That came out really great. Nice effect to make it seem it was put together in pieces.

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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Mon May 15, 2017 11:14 am

I wanted to put as many fibers in this beauty as I possibly could... so I started with the bridge and worked my way down. I had to drill a large hole in the bottom of the bridge section and into the lower part of the upper hull so I could run my fibers thru... Here's where I'm at so far... enjoy...







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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Mon May 15, 2017 11:29 am

I finished fibering the whole top layer, this layer will be removable so that I can get inside if I need to, but all the fibers are in and here's what it looks like so far... enjoy...






It was about this time that I was looking at the rear spine and thought, something don't seem right, so I pulled up my reference images, and sure enough, alot of little detail is missing off the back spine, including the  garbage chute.  Here's my reference... compare it to the last pic above and you tell me what's missing...



Definately have to fix that!
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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Mon May 15, 2017 2:13 pm

So, I began by cutting a hole in the spine to accommodate the garbage chute and began to think about what was missing...



I thought about just making something in 3D or even buying the extra parts off Shapeways that fix this problem (more or less) but the more I was thinking about the more I couldn't wait, and I needed to get back to my scratch building roots, so I pulled out my putty and began to add the missing details myself.  I also figured the chute itself was basically just a square box, I can scratch build that as well from sheet styrene... So here we go...



I also started scratching the chute itself...



And adding more and more details...







When I felt I had all the details covered I painted it flat black and then did a couple dustings of white over the top it is...




Really makes all those little details pop!



And finally, here's what it looks like in place on the back... ahhhhhhh... My OCD is satiated!

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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Mon May 15, 2017 2:34 pm

Another great job. That's a lot of lights going in there.

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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Mon May 15, 2017 2:37 pm

@trappedtexan wrote:
Another great job. That's a lot of lights going in there.

Thanks... Still have alot more to go! I think these are only maybe an 8th of what needs to go in there!
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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build   Tue May 16, 2017 10:53 am


Man, your Star Destroyer looks incredible!!! Love the paint, and all the lights!! Excellent work & attention to detail!!
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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Tue May 16, 2017 2:06 pm

@Machinegunn wrote:

Man, your Star Destroyer looks incredible!!! Love the paint, and all the lights!! Excellent work & attention to detail!!

Thanks bro... appreciate the love! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Tue May 16, 2017 2:12 pm

Well... I was informed that my bridge section was upside down... I didn't realize it!  There's no guide holes or tabs to keep this from happening, so I had to remove my bridge face and turn it right side up, thank goodness none of my fibers popped out in the process.



At least my entire top section is done.  Here's what all these fibers look like bundled together.  Still got a long way to go!

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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Tue May 16, 2017 6:13 pm

That sucks. I wouldn't have had any idea it was upside down if you hadn't said something. Going back to the first post and looking at the box I can see that it was. Appears there are pieces that will also go on top of that top piece where those two post looking things stick up. Glad it transitioned without popping the fibers. Guess the burning the ends trick helped keep them from popping out easily.

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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Wed May 17, 2017 12:05 pm

Meticulous stuff once again, what with having to adapt, readapt, turn things from upside down. Love the post it note idea, and sooooooooooooo much drilling haha!!
Looking really good Cool

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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Wed May 17, 2017 1:53 pm

@trappedtexan wrote:
That sucks. I wouldn't have had any idea it was upside down if you hadn't said something. Going back to the first post and looking at the box I can see that it was. Appears there are pieces that will also go on top of that top piece where those two post looking things stick up. Glad it transitioned without popping the fibers. Guess the burning the ends trick helped keep them from popping out easily.

The mushrooming effect is my goto method for fibering... works really well!

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Meticulous stuff once again, what with having to adapt, readapt, turn things from upside down. Love the post it note idea, and sooooooooooooo much drilling haha!!
Looking really good Cool

Thanks bro... really enjoying this build!
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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Wed May 17, 2017 2:01 pm

Well I got the starboard side of the top hull fibered last night.  Took longer than I expected.  But, it's done... only 750,998 more fibers to run!



Had to see how they looked all lit up...





Then I put the top deck on and OMG... I'm in love here!


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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Wed May 17, 2017 2:27 pm

just curious, are all the lights going to be white? any plan on colored ones for guns (if any show on the model) or engines?

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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Wed May 17, 2017 3:19 pm

@trappedtexan wrote:
just curious, are all the lights going to be white? any plan on colored ones for guns (if any show on the model) or engines?

Actually... I'm just using a flashlight here. The original used little grain of wheat light bulbs... Some of the lights were red but not many. I'll probably just use a few warm white LEDs to light this thing. I'm gonna see what I got in my toolbox tonight when I get home and get started on the electronics, Should be alot of fun! There's more to come on this build!
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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Thu May 18, 2017 8:45 am

Took a break last night on the fibering to do a little work on the electronics.  One thing I wanted to do was create a simple method of connecting and bunching my fibers so that it was easier to take them apart if need be.  Shrink Tube just doesn't work well if you have to take something apart and you really don't want to do any damage to the fibers themselves.  So I fired up my 3D Printer and came up with these...




My idea... fit the fibers in the tube and glue them in securely, trim the ends off and then fit a LED at the bottom of the barrel.  Put the tube in the barrel and whala... instant fiber connection that can come apart if I need to!



One thing I just can't express enough joy about are the kits available from Evans Designs.  I've been getting my LEDs exclusively from them for the past 15 years now and I have yet ever has a problem with anything I've gotten from them.  They've got not only just about every kind of LED available (every size, shape, flashing, flickering, etc) all prewired and preresistored so you don't have to worry about if it'll work or not, but they also have a bunch of cool switches, power supplies, and even fiber optics, but by far, the coolest thing they carry are these cool little Remote Control kits...




and it's so simple.  It is just a couple of wires attached to a sensor with a remote control.  Attach red to red and black to black and you're done.  Really simple and a no brainer!  Couldn't get any easier than this!  Did I mention, it also has a built-in dimmer so you can actually make the light brighter or dimmer with the remote... how sweet is that?  Now here's the best part... they are only $10.00!  Yeah... that's right!  You can get them here:

http://www.modeltrainsoftware.com/led-remote-control.html

So I hooked everything up, used a spare LED I had (this is not the correct color, but it'll do for testing, plugged in a 9V battery, and tried out my new remote.  




Flawless!  This is coming together sooooooooooo sweetly!  More to come... stay tuned!
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PostSubject: Re: LrdSatyr's Star Destroyer Build (PIC HEAVY)   Mon May 22, 2017 4:17 pm

Well been a busy weekend fibering... finally got the entire top hull done and fibered properly.  When I hold it up it looks like it needs a haircut! LOL  



Some people don't really understand just how big this thing is, well, here's a view of the top hull next to a yard stick.  It's about 25 inches from stem to stern!



Now, I want to be able to get inside my model later, so I want to be able to remove my top section completely so I could get inside if anything went wrong.  So, I took some small neodymium magnets and some Apoxie putty and kneaded a magnet into the putty.



Then I shoved the putty into the four upper corners of the top hull and smoothed it out...



On the bottom of the top section I super glued some small steel plates in the corners.



Now the top section fits perfectly on the top and won't come loose and I'll be able to get inside if I need to!  More to come later!
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