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PostSubject: Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna Burgundy Coat complete Figure   Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:43 pm

Sorry if this is not the right area for the post.  Trying to find if a TIG member has a Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna LL Burgundy Coat Figure that would like to sell for a reasonable price, with its LL weapon even better.   I have no experience buying through TIG so would need the community help to avoid a scam and do this correctly and avoid any fakes , customs, or repro’s. Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna Burgundy Coat complete Figure   Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:45 pm

good luck , that's a tall order and pricey
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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna Burgundy Coat complete Figure   Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:04 pm

That'll be $2,000, please. Kidding, I'm too poor to own one. But there is one on EBay right now, as I recall
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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna Burgundy Coat complete Figure   Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:34 pm

I wanted one a year or so ago. I am not an expert, but from what I recall from researching past posts from experts regarding a burgundy bib, it seems that there are so few real ones, fewer than we think, and too many fakes. A real one also would cost more than what we think as well. If I recall correctly there are only a few experts when it comes to this figure and their recommendation was to basically don't attempt to purchase one because more than likely it would be fake. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I do not want to give the wrong information from my memory...But anyway, good luck and be diligent.
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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna Burgundy Coat complete Figure   Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:46 pm

Thanks much for the advice ! I will certainly be very careful ... i wasn’t planning to spend over $2000 though , so I guess it is a dream to have one of these holy grails ... I remember my parents telling me not to buy the burgundy Bib as they had bought me a normal Kenner one already , I regret not to have insisted or try to get it as a gift through other family members... oh well
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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna Burgundy Coat complete Figure   Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:46 pm

Generally I would follow Bababooeyfett's advice, but thus is a relatively small community. There are people that are well known to deal with items this rare. But if you aren't buying from such a known source you take a good chance of being cheated
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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna Burgundy Coat complete Figure   Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:11 am

Find my thread about a gift my friend got me last year . Maybe a mod can share the link . Burgundy bibs are out there . If you do score one there are many who can help authenticate it . Bryan helped me on this site . Ozio authenticatated it for me . Wolffs site shows clear pics and ozios write ups help alot also.
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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna Burgundy Coat complete Figure   Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:27 am

Hellhippie I did found you linked and posted my comments Smile
Here’s the link , those pictures you got are great !!
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t8990-bib-fortuna-a-star-wars-story



Thanks much !!
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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna Burgundy Coat complete Figure   Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:18 pm

Wow , I know Imperial Gunnery does not likes that we refer to eBay listings but in this case I think is legitimate to discuss as authenticity is in question , having as a reference HellHippie pictures , the fabric at least on the outside appears so different. , the authenticated Bib Fortuna from HellHippie looks rougher flatter or less fluffy than the listing , also the worn shoulders typical from LL burgundy cape do not seem to be present in the coat , attached are pictures so you understand what I am referring to , last three are the reference pictures from hellhippie link above. The inside does seems quite very similar between the two fabrics in my opinion , hard to tell in pictures I guess but differences are quite obvious in my opinion for the outside of the coat vs an authentic burgundy coat and do question authenticity . Perhaps different condition of the fabric ???





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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna Burgundy Coat complete Figure   Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:39 pm

Take into account that mine is 100 percent authentic and 100 percent not in the best shape . Alot of the “fluff” on the coat is gone . There are alot of people that are experts on this variant , i was told to contact ozio who actually can authenticate it for you and has an authenticating service for burgundy bibs
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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna Burgundy Coat complete Figure   Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:02 pm

Thanks HellHippie , can you let me know why at the time of your gift (and also following recommendations from this community and experts ) decided not to send to AFA for grading ? Is it because of condition which will likely result in poor grading and hence eliminate intrinsic value ? Please see posting I did in your original chat regarding your bib fortuna gift , thanks again !!
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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna Burgundy Coat complete Figure   Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:23 pm

Nope just a loose collector nothing to do with a grade either way
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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna Burgundy Coat complete Figure   Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:19 pm

Thank you HellHippie, I just read the thread of Ozio , Merlín and others regarding BFBC , so valuable and very insightful , thanks for the feedback and reference !!
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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna Burgundy Coat complete Figure   Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:18 am

Okay so I reached out to the seller in Mexico ... here his reply, please your comments as it seems there is quite a bit of background:.

New message from: astromex_droid (1,219Red Star)
Hi! Thanks for your comments. I've had dozens of Burgundys Bibs in my hands since i started to collect, because i was one of the few who apreciate them before the Lili became famous, also fakes and unfinished factory samples. This item passes all the tests, and it's identical to my personal Burgundy C9 condition, and my own bib has been checked by many specialist in Mexico city, including Carlos Aguilar, even the last one sold by me was autentificated by OZIO for buyers request, and buyer post positive until that. It's a shame that you couldn't check it in the flesh, the thick, the smell, the tact. Good luck my auctions!
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Hi I acknowledge your track record selling Star Wars vintage ; however , I must say the fabric at least on the outside appears so different to an authentic Bib Fortuna Burgundy Cape. It seems fluffy and should look rougher or flatter , also the worn shoulders or flaps typical from LL burgundy cape do not seem to be present in the coat . The inside does seems quite very similar , hard to tell in pictures I guess but the differences are quite obvious in my opinion for the outside of the coat vs an authentic burgundy coat and do question authenticity of the item.

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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna Burgundy Coat complete Figure   Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:26 pm

Hi rmmhousten, this topic has become more a reference/discussion thread than a WTB and is in the wrong section anyway for WTB. I'm going to move it to the library so we can keep the useful info together: http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/f2-tig-content-and-reference-library

If you still want to make a WTB post please head over to the TIG Sales forum: http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/c2-tig-sales-forum

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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna Burgundy Coat complete Figure   Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:48 pm

Sounds good ArtooDetour thanks !!
I ended up not bidding on the listing and apparently sold for $1125 , perhaps Ozio ends up looking at the authenticity of the cape from that buyer. Would be great to know about if it indeed turns out to be an authentic LL burgundy cape , just from the pictures i had doubts.

Following are replies I received from the seller:
astromex_droid:
Hello again! I'm agree to a full refund if you cover the shipping return from the figure to me in the case that wouldn't be original(hope my english is good enough). How are you checking it?AFA or another mexican expert are the ussual ways. Christian, Aguilar, Ozio, etc are often consulted, i'm agree to use ANYWAY excepting the Galvez, here in Mexico are very well known they are liying about autenticity because they want to take the market for they own. However i always make a video with the figures details to avoid that someone could make a figure change in the way, because could pass many hands on the proces. Thank you pal and good luck!

I explained him he should cover the return shipping if the figure was found not to be authentic and he agreed to do so at the end.
I was very hesitant to bid as so many things could go wrong in the process, I considered not worth the risk.
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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna Burgundy Coat complete Figure   Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:33 am

So I couldn’t find or buy a Lili Ledy Burgundy Cape Bib Fortuna LOL!!
But this one just arrived from Florida after being made years ago by a German collector with great taste !!!
.I Bought it for the price of a complete Bib Fortuna (Taiwan variant) , I absolutely LOVE IT !!! What you think guys , it’s pretty cool , isn’t?!!
Tomorrow I will take a picture of him next to my chilhood’s Lili Ledy Olive Cape Bib Fortuna !!!
What a great day today, also won a Hollow Cheeks Tusken Raider from covenant115 (eBay username) , he said the hollow cheeks is from his childhood, wonderful !!! Can’t wait for him to arrive in the mail!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna Burgundy Coat complete Figure   Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:24 am

I know this is a very desirable figure to own but we don't really like reproduction items. While I don't personally have an issue with having this particular item as repro because it likely won't fool anyone, it would still be good to mark on the inside of the cape in some form of ink the word Reproduction. I just suggest this precaution as your intentions may not be to ever pass this off as real (not that it would fool any) but if something happens and your collection is sold way in the future then at least the person selling and buying can see it clearly labeled.

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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Bib Fortuna Burgundy Coat complete Figure   Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:51 pm

I very much hate reproductions too, this is the only item I got in my collection that is not original. I will make sure to mark it properly so there is no confusion. I don’t plan to ever sell it , if I ever do I will make sure it is done as such , a reproduction. Thanks for the understanding !
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