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PostSubject: Lili Ledy Jawa   Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:43 pm

As I have become more experienced and more careful in collecting the more rare variants, I do on occasion go through my collection to double check that I have the real thing. I have found what I thought were genuine real rare variants were not in fact(luckily only two, and it luckily was not too devastating). However, the one I am obsessing on now is my Lili Ledy Jawa.  If this is not legitimate than this would be devastating. I bought this in 2016, when I was not as experienced. I have recently done my research on TIG and another forum.  The threads were from 2008 and 2012 debating the authenticity of LIli Ledy Jawas, with no definitive conclusion(at least for me). Some saying that thread coloration, different thread coloration on hood and cape, thread placement, and cleanliness of thread were all disqualifiers. Some saying the opposite. Unfortunately many pictures in these threads are now unavailable.

I included photos of my ebay purchase page. I believe this seller to have been honest, and gave a full description believing this to be genuine. The item was encased but not graded(no sticker). The seller included photos(starwarsvintage.net) of the AFA refusal letter due to the black connector thread on the hood. The one photo is of the actual Jawa, I have since swapped it for one with better paint(pictured). The looser hood is as it came, I since(actually yesterday)pulled, tightened the black thread for a more snug fit. The threads on the cape and hood are different tones of tan, which doing my research of past threads seems to be acceptable. I know the black connector hood thread is suspect, but if that's the only thing wrong and it was a repair and the cape and hood is legitimate, I would be OK with that.  Also a photo from a thread with a repro. Finally does the seam go in the front or the back? That was of some contention in past threads. I know this is annoying to some helping to identify a figure as legit or not when it may be obvious to some, but I now and have for sometime now do my research before I purchase. I have learned my lesson.  I believe mine to be genuine, except for maybe the black thread. Any help is appreciated.










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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Jawa   Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:49 am

Black thread is an added thing by someone, not factory. The rest looks correct. I have mine with seem in the rear. I think this is just the better look, but haven't studied enough moc to see how they came originally from factory (if there was a set way they came given ledy quality control.

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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Jawa   Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:31 pm

Yeah, Awesome!. That is a huge relief. I can live with the black thread. I like to believe it was some kid's mom fixing it. If the whole thing was a fake I would think that someone would have repaired the hood with similar color thread. Probably because of that black thread I saved a lot of money. If I were to buy one today(between 2k and 3k, graded on Ebay)... Crazy. I blacked out the price I paid, which was significant, but nowhere close to what is being asked for now. Nowhere close. Thanks again, you made my day!
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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Jawa   Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:07 pm

I don't know I have ever seen a double color one like that on the same piece. Difference in color stitching from the hood to the cloak I have heard of. I even have been told there are two known colors for stitching a light brown and a darker chocolate brown, but I never looked into thread color for ledy jawas to much.  I do know there are ledy jawas that have sewn on hoods also, or at least i have been told they exist as one turned up moc. I don't have that variation myself.

I am 99% certain that black thread is a later correction and not factory. Ledy is my focus so I have read a ton on them but if you need other opinions you could contact Ozio on here, or Jose (darkdeltoro) on here or rs.

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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Jawa   Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:53 pm

I am ecstatic you believe the hood and cape are genuine. I trust your opinion, especially if you focus in Lili Ledy. I have looked at numerous LL Jawa pictures this week, and all have differences, i.e., stitching color, albeit limited stitching color, stitching placement, and the way the hood was threaded(connected). The one consistency was the fabric material itself, which I felt mine matched with genuine ones. The black thread thread is more than likely a repair like you said, but it could be a rare variant(my 1% wishful thinking). Thanks again for your help and giving some other names that can help.
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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Jawa   Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:18 pm

I remember that jawa on ebay . Bryan knows ledy . he's also correct on ozio and ozio is a super nice guy to deal with as well . he's helped me before . contact him he'll give you a definitive answer not that I don't trust bryans word because I do .

as far as the grading goes I detest the afa but to each his own . heres the point on that . I always thought the afa will refuse to grade authentic examples of any variant if theres been repair . look into it , I think im correct .

nice figure btw . hes one thas eluded me and I only own the figure with no accessories .
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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Jawa   Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:17 pm

Thanks, he is one of my "I can't believe I have this one" figures. It wouldn't hurt to get another's advice, or opinion as well. As far as AFA...Researching the 2008 and 2012 RS threads, a seller sent LL Jawas to AFA and that they were rejected because of stitching. There were no MOC examples at the time. The seller then posted this and that what he had were apparently fakes according to the AFA. I believe that was from the 2008 thread. In the 2012 thread someone posted 8 MOC's that confirmed that what the seller had were probably genuine LL Jawas. I dont think the MOC posting was referencing the 2008 thread however, but another disputed LL Jawa. Someone can correct me if I am wrong on this. But as a novice when dealing with the more rarer variants, reading those threads told me that AFA can get it wrong on occasion if there is limited information on a figure such as LL Jawa, atleast back in 2008. I wonder what that guy did with his "fake" LL Jawas. It makes me sick if he threw them out, when it now seems he may have had the real deal. I personally have no experience with the AFA. I want mine to remain loose. I don't like them being encased. Thanks again for the information. I appreciate it.
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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Jawa   Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:42 pm

Very nice figure indeed, as far as AFA or any grading company they can make mistakes just like anyone in any job can, but at the same time it offer's reassurance to a buyer that it's the real thing. All I know is when your dealing with very expensive item's then you want to be really sure.

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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Jawa   Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:33 pm

Thanks, it is a great figure. I'm lucky. I am thankful for AFA for both my Luke DT Saber and my Lili Ledy Bib(green coat). There is no way I would be able to discern that a saber was genuine for Luke and the coat was genuine for Bib. So, you are right it does give people confidence in buying. Although, I am getting a better eye at discerning real from fake, or misidentified, thanks to sites like TIG, I still would need help with certain figures such as the Luke DT and the LL Bib. My only experience with AFA is as a buyer. I didn't intend to diminish AFA. They are needed.
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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Jawa   Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:01 pm

I have a few I bought that are graded as well but I am planning on getting a few graded like my Star Wars carded DSD, and a few others.

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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Jawa   Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:02 am

I forgot one more that I have that I would have benefited, if it came AFA encased. The YPS Snowtrooper. Still have my doubts abouts this one. This is another figure that seems to have some dispute, and little talked about on forums compared to other rare variants.


Finally, my personal holy trail, the Poch, toxic green limbs, I would want graded along with a COA before i purchased( i would break it out though,... still kept the case and COA for my Luke DT).  I would prefer to purchase that one with confidence, years from now, when debt is paid, too expensive right now. Hope there is one still around then.
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PostSubject: Re: Lili Ledy Jawa   Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:06 pm

Just received feedback from another LL expert. The black thread is a repair. I now have to decide on whether to remove it, or keep it. There is some original extra thread left, (not a lot) as is shown in the pictures; maybe it can be used to attach the hood? I have some decisions to make... Thanks for everyone's feedback
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