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   Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum I_icon_minipostSubject: The Vintage Rebellion Podcast - Episode 19 and beyond    Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 04, 2018 1:56 pm
Welcome to Episode 48 of the Vintage Rebellion, bit later than normal.

Andy Goulding joins the team for this months focal interview as we delve into early collecting, shows round the UK in the 1990s and we delve into his love of movie props.

In this month's Rebel Briefings Rich brings not one, not two, not three but four amazing discoveries that collectors have been hunting for nearly 20 years from pre-production items to packaging to bootlegs to production figures.  Helping him delve into one of these topics both Paul Chu and Todd Hudson drop by to offer their expertise.

In NA the lads review some brilliant bargains, a cast and crew grail piece, a Japanese Pop Up Book and are joined by Andy Preston who talks about his fantastic Pye records' store display.  The section is concluded with an in depth look at the POTF Skiff with help from Ron Salvatore.  Keep an ear out for when Simon outs S#####7 as a shill bidder extraordinaire!

You don't get many of those to the pound in Markets this month.  More interesting and interestingly priced items from eBay are covered.  Simon also takes a look at a recent sale at Gildings Auctioneers and invites the team to take their pick from a wonderful selection of movie posters offered by the Prop Store in an upcoming sale.  The results are surprising.

Pete takes us on an extended look at NA when he examines the Skiff in more detail, looking at what else the Skiff turned up on for all you Skiff focus collectors, as well as bringing us his Gimcrack of the Month and his well loved Top Five.

All this plus plenty more including Weakest Link and stay listening for the outro when Jez has an unusual theory about people not liking TLJ the first time.

Enjoy the show!!!

http://swtvrpodcast.podbean.com/e/episode-48-goldilocks-and-the-tree-bears/
Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum Sm-whi10Topic: Return of the (Craigy's Luke) Jedi
Craig T

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   Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum I_icon_minipostSubject: Return of the (Craigy's Luke) Jedi    Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum I_icon_minitimeMon Apr 02, 2018 7:57 pm
Blog Update #7 (03/04/2018)

French 65 Back Meccano Luc (Luke Jedi) on a Yan (Han) Solo Cardback Miscard …

A few weeks back, a number of rare Luke Jedi MOCs were put up for sale or auction by different sellers. As what typically happens to me, I wait ages for one of the missing MOCs on my bucket list to turn-up and then they all come at the same time.

I couldn’t go for everyone of them, so I took the decision to go for a few of the really important ones and concentrate all my war chest funds on these. This tactic worked and I have managed score a few. As they arrive, I try to get them photographed and posted as soon as I can…

First up is a French 65 Back Meccano Luc (Luke) Jedi on a Yan (Han) Solo card back - commonly referred to as a Yan Solo Miscard. The SWCA has a small write-up (Click Here!) and there’s some further info from the late Bob Martinazzi on his site LukeJedi.info (Click Here!).

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Unfortunately, even though the seller tried to pack safely, the bubble was not correctly cushioned and has received some heavy damage at the base during the journey. The figure is still secure, but only just, so I will have to be very careful with him. I might consider neatly taping the bottom of the bubble to help protect it – but at the moment, he’s lying flat as I am not sure yet what to do.

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There are actually quite a few of these floating around and so it’s not a single one-off miscard error. I get the impression that a batch was deliberately carded this way for some reason. There’s a great book by Stephane Faucourt - Meccano to Trilogo. Inside, Stephane gives one interesting and plausible explanation for Meccano factory originated miscards:

“At the very end of the toy line production, instead of destroying what was left over of the cardback and action figure stock at the French Meccano factory, they (Meccano) tried to use it by matching the cards and action figures as best they could. This strategy would keep wastage to a minimum amount.”

“This all results in a limited number of miscarded figure/card combinations, issued as some kind of intentional production error”


So, could it be that Meccano had a quantity of unused Yan Solo cardbacks and with plenty of Luke Jedi figures still left, decided to use some of them to card up. Interesting is the fact that the lightsabre and cape are never packaged in any of the known examples. He is either packed completely on his own or with his palace blaster and nothing else. The one I have scored has no accessories (i.e. no cape, gun or sabre). Maybe Meccano just packed Luke with a gun so that it was similar in offering to what was provided on a correct Yan Solo card. Maybe when they run out of guns, he was just packed on his own.

Not too long ago I scored a nice, but used, Meccano Luc Card Back. I dream to get a complete MOC one day, but for now I have a nice little starter:

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An interesting comparison is the change of logo on the front of the ROTJ  65 cardback between the first 45 back figures and the ROTJ release figures. The backs are both the same, so why change the logo between the first 45 and ROTJ release? Also note the sticker on the bottom of the Luc Cardback. It appears they used a HN Smile NCOO (Made in Macau) Luke Jedi for their figures.


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   Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum I_icon_minipostSubject: Jabba the Hutt Playsets    Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 28, 2016 9:35 am
There is a bi-logo box with Italian import sticker which makes version #7 Wink
Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum Sm-whi10Topic:  Full Size Imperial Blaster - Limited TIG Edition - Pre Orders Thread - SOLD OUT !!
shanester

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   Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum I_icon_minipostSubject: Full Size Imperial Blaster - Limited TIG Edition - Pre Orders Thread - SOLD OUT !!    Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum I_icon_minitimeThu Apr 28, 2016 5:01 pm
I am in for one please.  Just need payment info.  These look awesome. #7 still available?
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Darren Redbeard

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   Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum I_icon_minipostSubject: Imperial Gunnery 7 for 7 Contest !! We're in a pickle!! ++ANSWERS AND WINNERS ANNOUNCED++    Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum I_icon_minitimeTue Mar 15, 2016 4:58 pm
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   Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum I_icon_minipostSubject: FOOD ITEMS & PREMIUMS    Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum I_icon_minitimeSun Sep 23, 2012 6:16 am
Food Items & Premiums


Food Packaging / Containers / Wrappings


1980 Hershey's USA. Milk Chocolate with Almonds. Candy Bar box flat featuring Chewbacca
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1980 Topps USA. Candy Heads (C3PO Yoda Vader Chewie Fett Bossk)
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1980 Dairy Time UK. Low Fat Yogurt can, strawberry (Leia Bespin)
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1983 Pepperidge Farm Cookies: Luke Vanilla / Vader Chocolate / Chewie Peanut butter
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1984 Kellogg's C-3PO's Cereal box
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Premiums / Freebies / Trinkets



1980 Canadian York Peanut Butter Lid Inserts
complete set of 6
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1983 Canadian General Mills Cereal Fold out Pamphlets
Missing #3 & 4 from a series of 8
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#1 front, inside & back photos
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USA. Burger Chef Fun 'N Games Kenner Mini Catalogue
USA. Burger Chef Fun 'N Games Kenner mini catalogue. 1978. Given away free with Burger Chef purchases.
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1977 - 78 Coca Cola Canada bottle caps from 300 ml glass bottles
From match the Star Wars pairs give away for cash prizes. See also poster in http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t5420-tig-world-of-odd-store-displays-in-store-flyers-promotions
Note the 2 different cap designs. These were never pressed on the bottles.
7 of 8 caps.  Missing Princess Leia.

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ESB Candy head display box full

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Dr Dengar

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   Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum I_icon_minipostSubject: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1    Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum I_icon_minitimeSun Jan 08, 2012 1:50 pm


LUKE BESPIN

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COO guide for Luke Bespin
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A. COO #7 and the almost identical COO #8 are shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner (brown Luke)
B. COO #4 is shared by Lili Ledy and PBP (blond Luke)

A. COO #7 and COO #8

The Ledy brown Luke came with two slightly different COOs. They differ in the relative position of the raised bar relative to the crease on the left leg:
-COO #7: Raised bar stops at the crease
-COO #8: Raised bar extending the crease.

Luke Bespin: Kenner COO #8 (left), Lili Ledy COO #7 (right).
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Luke Bespin: Kenner COO #8 (left), Lili Ledy COO #7 (right).
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Luke Bespin: Kenner COO #8 (left), Lili Ledy COO #7 (right).
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Luke Bespin: Kenner COO #8 (left), Lili Ledy COO #7 (right).
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Luke Bespin: Kenner COO #8 (left), Lili Ledy COO #7 (right).
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Luke Bespin: Kenner COO #8 (left), Lili Ledy COO #7 (right).
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Luke Bespin: Kenner COO #8 (left), Lili Ledy COO #7 (right).
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Comparison between Ledy Lukes: COO #8 (left, bar extends crease), COO #7 (right, bar stops at crease).
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Comparison between Ledy Lukes: COO #8 (left, bar extends crease), COO #7 (right, bar stops at crease).
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Comparison between Ledy Lukes: COO #8 (left, bar extends crease), COO #7 (right, bar stops at crease).
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DIFFERENCES:

Compared to his Kenner ('Made in China' baggie) counterpart, the Ledy Luke Bespin has:
- Mustard brown hair instead of orange brown hair
- A face which is cast in a paler (less pinkish) plastic
- Black instead of darkbrown eyebrows
- Brown instead of greenish brown boots
- A thicker sprayed saber (this is most easy to spot)


PAINT VARIATIONS:

Small Variations:
The small paint differences between the Lili Ledy figures (the colour of the boots and the thickness of the eyes and eyebrows) which can be seen in the pictures below, are due to small batch to batch variations and/or Lili Ledy’s sloppy quality control.

Comparison between Lukes: From left to right: 1 (Kenner), 2 (Ledy), 3 (Ledy), 4 (Ledy)
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Comparison between Lukes: Counterclockwise starting at the top: 1 (Kenner), 2 (Ledy), 3 (Ledy), 4 (Ledy)
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Major variations:
The dark brown Ledy Luke Bespin in the pictures below is a kitbashed figure composed of a Ledy body and a factory painted Ledy overstock head. The dark brown Luke Bespin was never released on card by Lili Ledy.

Comparison between Brown Lukes: Figure with overstock head (left), Production figure (right)
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Comparison between Brown Lukes: Figure with overstock head (left), Production figure (right)
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Comparison between Brown Lukes: Figure with overstock head (left), Production figure (right)
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B. COO #4


Luke Bespin COO #4: PBP (left), Lili Ledy (right).
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Luke Bespin COO #4: PBP (left), Lili Ledy (right).
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Luke Bespin COO #4: PBP (left), Lili Ledy (right).
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Luke Bespin COO #4: PBP (left), Lili Ledy (right).
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Luke Bespin COO #4: PBP (left), Lili Ledy (right).
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Luke Bespin COO #4: PBP (left), Lili Ledy (right).
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Luke Bespin COO #4: PBP (left), Lili Ledy (right).
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DIFFERENCES:

Compared to his PBP counterpart, the blond Ledy Luke Bespin has:
- Pale blond instead of yellowish blond hair
- A face which is cast in a paler (less pinkish) plastic
- Darker brown boots
- A sprayed saber which is connected to the sprayed belt

Note: The blond Luke Bespin was released on Ledy's ESB 10-back but also on the early ROTJ 12-back. The brown hair Ledy Luke was released on later ROTJ cards.



ACCESSORIES


LIGHTSABER:

The Ledy Luke Bespin came with a yellow V1 saber. Also PBP released sabers with a V1 mould (denoted as V2 in TIG’s reference weapon guide: http://www.imperialgunnery.com/thelightsabersection.htm ).

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GUN:
The brown Ledy Luke Bespin carries a blue V1 Bespin gun. The blond Ledy Luke also came with a smuggler gun on the first ESB 10-backs.  

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   Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum I_icon_minipostSubject: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1    Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum I_icon_minitimeSat Apr 23, 2011 4:48 pm

Ben (Obi Wan) Kenobi

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COO guide for Ben Kenobi: No. 7 is shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner
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NOTE:

  • The Ledy Ben Kenobi has COO no. 7. In the pics below a comparison is made with a Kenner figure having a similar COO (no. 4) as I don't have the exact Kenner counterpart in my collection yet.
  • The Ledy and PBP Ben Kenobi are exactly the same, there are no differences in paint or accessories.



Ben Kenobi: Lili Ledy on the right
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Ben Kenobi: Lili Ledy on the right
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Ben Kenobi: Lili Ledy on the right
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Ben Kenobi: Lili Ledy on the right
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Ben Kenobi: Lili Ledy on the right
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Ben Kenobi: Lili Ledy on the right
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Ben Kenobi: Lili Ledy on the right
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DIFFERENCES:
Compared to a Kenner figure (COO #4), the Ledy Ben Kenobi (COO #7) has:
- darker grey hair, eye brows, moustache, and beard. In addition the eye brows, moustache and beard are sprayed 'thicker'.
- a more pinkish skin colour
- an index finger (at right hand) which extends over the edge of the light saber holder (*)
- thicker shoe soles (*)
- a left foot which extends longer from underneath the 'cloak' (*)

NOTE: The differences indicated with (*) are NOT unique for the Ledy Ben Kenobi. These are specific traits for the steel mould which is linked to COO #7. As this mould was also used by Kenner (explained in the 1st post of this thread) there are also Kenner figures having this trait.

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ACCESSORIES

  • The Ledy Ben came with a vinyl cape which differs from a Kenner cape in the following ways:
    - lighter brown colour
    - 'smooth' feeling as it is made from more flexible vinyl
    - absence of the typical 'zipping' sound when you scrape your finger against any side of the cape.
    - arm holes are positioned a bit lower

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  • The Ledy Ben holds a blue light saber which has a thicker tip compared to the Kenner saber.

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   Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum I_icon_minipostSubject: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1    Topics tagged under 7 on The Imperial Gunnery Forum I_icon_minitimeSat Nov 27, 2010 10:11 am
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THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD



PART I

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(Part II of the Lili Ledy Thread can be found here ).


TABLE OF CONTENTS




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INTRODUCTION

Have you ever purchased a figure assuming it was Lili Ledy because of the matching Country of Origin (COO), but in the end it appeared to be Kenner? It happened to me a few times (Ackbar, Chewbacca, Rancor Keeper). Sad 
Thanks to the knowledge of fellow TIG members the figures were ‘unmasked’, because they have slightly different paintings compared to LL figures.

Maybe some of you share the same experience and therefore I thought it might be a good idea to start a thread filled with side by side pics of Lili Ledy and Kenner figures to allow a good comparison and initiate discussions.  


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WHAT IS LILI LEDY?

Lili Ledy was a toy company in Mexico that acquired a license to produce the 3 3/4"line of Star Wars toys in 1982. The reason Kenner did not just export figures to Mexico was because of Mexican's protectionist trading laws at that moment, stating that toys for the Mexican market had to be produced in Mexico. After a successful market test with a limited set of figures on “Imperio Contraataca” cards, Lili Ledy decided to produce Star Wars action figures on the larger scale. By the end of 1985, Lili Ledy had produced no less than 50 different figures for the 3 3/4" line.

The reason Lili Ledy figures (in short Ledy or  LL figures) are so interesting to collectors is that they are different compared to Kenner figures. The differences can be obvious or more subtle and reflect the used sculpt, plastic, paint or accessories (capes, weapons, etc.).

Some examples just to give you an idea how Ledy figures can differ compared to Kenner:


  • Sculpt:
    - Short instead of long mask Biker Scout
    - Unique COO for Nien Numb
  • Plastic:  
    - Hard (more detailed) instead of soft torso Stromtrooper
    - Tanned instead of pinkish moulded face for Leia Boushh
  • Paint:
    - Unpainted wrist button for Star Destroyer Commander
    - Almond instead of round sprayed eyes for Jawa
    - Vibrant yellow instead of pale yellow boots for Cloud Car Pilot
  • Accessory:
    - Lightsaber with thicker tip for Darth Vader and Ben Kenobi
    - Burgundy instead of gray cape for Bib Fortuna


These and many other differences will be discussed in the entries for the Lili Ledy figures in this thread. Figures which have been discussed are indicated in yellow in the listings below. Just click on the hyperlink to go to the figure's entry.



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WHAT IS A COO?

COO stands for Country of Origin. However in the context of this thread (and many other threads) it had a broadened meaning and stands for any combination of marks on the figures indicating:

1) Country where the figure was produced, for instance;
- "China"
- "Hong Kong"
- "Japan"
- "Macau"
- "Made n China"
- "Made in Hong Kong"
- "Made in Macao"
- "Made in Taiwan"
- "Taiwan"
- or no country mentioned ("no COO"). In this case the country designation may be 'scratched' away from the steel mould or was never applied in the first place (this is the case for the last 17 figures).  

2) Copyright , for instance:
- "©️ L.F.L." (Lucas Film Ltd.)
- "G.M.F.G.I." (General Mills Fun Group, Inc.)
- "©️ C.P.G." (Consumer Product Group, of which GMFGI was a branch)

3) Year, for instance 1977, 1980, 1985.



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LILI LEDY FIGURES SHARING THE SAME COO AS KENNER




On top is a list of Lili Ledy figures that were produced from steel moulds that were also used by Kenner.
This means that these Ledy figures CAN NOT be distinguished from Kenner figures by solely looking at the COO or sculpt. The unique differences are therefore to be sought in the used plastic, paint and accessories.
One more thing: Forget about the myth still being spread by some ebay sellers that a no COO is an unique identifier for Lili Ledy figures. It is just plain wrong.




So to give you an example: A Ben Kenobi with an extended right index finger and COO #7 in Wolff’s guide might be a Ledy figure but chances are higher it is a Kenner figure which was produced from the same steel mould. The paint of the eyes and the beard should therefore be the specific Ledy traits here which help you to decide: Ledy or Kenner?

Most plastic accessories (guns, sabers, staffs) that came with the figures in the top list, were produced from moulds that were also used by Kenner. This means that these Ledy weapons can only be distinguished from their Kenner counterparts based upon (subtle) differences in the used plastic. A few examples to give you an idea:


  • Colour difference:
    - Leia Poncho grey instead of blue gun
    - Nikto dark grey instead of light grey vibroblade
    - Han Solo Trech Coat black gun
  • Appearance:        
    - Matt instead of glossy Ackbar staff
    - Matt instead of glossy Boushh rifle




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LILI LEDY FIGURES HAVING AN UNIQUE COO COMPARED TO KENNER


 

On top is a list of Lili Ledy figures that were produced from unique steel moulds that were NOT used by Kenner before.
This means that these Ledy figures CAN be distinguished from Kenner figures by looking at the unique COO and sometimes sculpt. Besides there may be unique differences in the used plastic, paint and accessories.

Interestingly all these Ledy figures were also exported to the US on Kenner’s “Made in Mexico” cards (see further).

The plastic accessories for these figures were cast from moulds that are different compared to their Kenner counterparts, which gives them an unique Ledy sculpt. Check it out:
- Biker Scout: unique gun mould, mostly with small “A”, “B”, "D"
- Chief Chirpa: unique staff having small “LL”
- Darth Vader: unique thicker saber tip
- Gammorean Guard: unique shorter axe
- Lando Skiff: unique thicker vibroblade, mostly with a small “A”, “B”
- Logray: unique hood mould (different number inside), unique staff and pouche both with small “LL”
- Lumat: figure and its accessories were only produced by Ledy, so all Ledy unique
- Paploo: same
- Ree Yees: unique gun mould with little “Y”, “S”, “W”
- Nien Nunb: unique gun mould with little “L”, “I”
- Squid Head: Unique belt mould with small "LL" on the inside. NO unique gun mould
- Yoda: This figure is the exception that proves the rule, as the moulds used for the snake, cane, and belt were also used by Kenner.

REMARK: The mould of some of these accessories were also used to produce weapons for other figures:
- Chief Chirpa's staff was used for The Emperor and Wicket (both cast in differently coloured plastic)
- Darth Vader's saber was used for Ben Kenobi (cast in blue plastic)
- Lando Skiff's vibroblade was used for Klaatu, Klaatu Skiff, and Weequay
- Nien Nunb's gun was used for Jawa, and TIE Fighter Pilot



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SPECIAL FEATURES




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COO DIFFERENCES

SMALL COO DIFFERENCES FOR ONE FIGURE:
For most Ledy figures (and their Kenner counterparts as well) there exist COOs with only minimal differences. Most likely they indicate steel moulds that travelled together and were used in parallel during production of the figures in a factory. Therefore they do not seem to match with any other visible differences (for instance paint applications).

These small COO differences occur for instance for:
-Bib Fortuna
-Boba Fett (scar and split scar)
-C-3PO (two line COO with and w/o dent)
-Cloud Car Pilot
-Luke Jedi
-Nikto
-Teebo
-TIE Fighther Pilot (different scars from the same 'mother' COO)

Example of small COO differences for Luke Jedi: Position of "MADE IN HONG KONG" slightly shifted along the leg
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To give you a bit more background on this topic, below are a few quotes from Wolff's thread on RS: http://forum.rebelscum.com/t1072470/

Wolff wrote:
I have no proof of the following but to me it makes totally sense: The steel-molds were the original ones, the ones the first shots were made from. These were duplicated in steel, aluminium or brass. Aluminium and brass are more easy to work with because they are much „softer“ then steel. Especially for the limbs (very soft plastic, less wear) no steel molds were necessary. In aluminium or also brass it would be possible to stamp the coos in with a lettering sytem similar to old printing systems. You have all letters made in steel which can be set together in the way you want them and get „hammered“ into the molds. Therefore you would need softer materials then steal and it would explain many nearly similar COOs which just one letter out of line next to one where all letters are in line or another letter which is out of line.

Wolff wrote:
Another aspect from the coo-family is: Same mold but slightly different coo. Regarding the LXW again there can be two slightly different HK coos found. These 2 molds always traveled together and also were altered together.

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COOs FOR ONE FIGURE:

Some Ledy figures appear with completely different COOs. In some cases the different COOs match with differences in paint applications as well.
Examples:
- C-3PO (2 line and 3-line COO)
- C-3PO Removable Limbs (Hong Kong and no COO)
- Darth Vader (Hong Kong and no COO)
- Han Solo Bespin (Hong Kong and no COO)
- Leia Bespin (China and Hong Kong)
- Luke Bespin (no COO raised bar and no COO smoothly deleted)
- R2D2 (Hong Kong 1977 and no COO 1978)
- Yoda (Honk Kong and no COO)

Interestingly most of these figures were also released on the early “Imperio Contraataca” (ESB) cards. Maybe some of the COOs are linked to these early releases.  :scratch:

Lili Ledy ESB 10-back. Back. (Picture from SWCA)
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MADE IN MEXICO (MIM) FIGURES

In the 80s, Kenner exported overstock accessories to Mexico to be packed together with Lili Ledy figures on “Made in Mexico’ (MIM) cards which were subsequently exported back to the US. The following figures were packed on MIM cards:

Made in Mexico (MIM) cards (pic made by Rog)
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There is a theory stating that Lili Ledy raised (had to raise?) her quality standards for these MIM figures as they were meant for the US market. This would have resulted in the usage of a better quality plastic and better paint apps. However so far this theory has never been supported by convincing evidence. The common view is therefore that the differences between Lili Ledy figures and MIM figures if any are not significant enough to make a real distinction. See for instance the quote below:

@_Rog_ wrote:
 

As mentioned in that thread I don’t own all the Lili Ledy guys that correspond with my MIM figures but from what I have gathered, Gam. Guard, Nien Nunb, Chirpa, Logray, Lando Calrissian, Ree Yees, Darth Vader, Paploo & Lumat are all pretty much the same. There may be slight differences in quality of finish between MIM & Ledy with MIM being slightly better, but I’m guessing if you took the nicest Ledy Chirpa for example and stood it next to the worst MIM Chief, they would be equal in quality (the LL might even be better!).

So once a figure was pulled from its card – either Ledy or MIM - you basically ended up with a loose Lili Ledy figure. Only the accessories on the cards might differ. On MIM cards you could have Ledy or Kenner accessories, or even a combination of both.

You can read more about this subject in these interesting treads here and here.



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JOIN THE LEDY DISCUSSIONS!!

The information in this thread is neither complete nor presents you the absolute truth on Ledy figures. There is still a lot unclear and left open for discussions. Also when something is plain wrong, just chime in and let us know.
Basically the main goal of this thread is therefore not merely providing an overview of Ledy figures but rather provide a starting point from which we can initiate discussions, in order to extend our common Ledy knowledge at the end of the day.
Questions/discussion points are indicated in green throughout the thread, let's hope we get some answers here soon!  bounce
Don’t be shy, and keep the discussion going here!.

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USEFUL LILI LEDY LINKS

A list of links which I found useful when preparing the entries:
http://swspaceclub.com/wbobafett/lili-ledy-variants/   NEW
http://www.rebelscum.com/lili-ledy.asp
http://forum.rebelscum.com/t999154/#post16906903
http://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t869-lili-ledy-merged-topics?highlight=ledy
http://www.spnet.ne.jp/~swcoll/06other/04lililedy/01lililedy.htm
http://www.lichtgeschwindigkeit.de/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3812
http://www.starswar.eu/variant/contents/lililedy.html



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ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS

This thread is setup to gather information around Ledy figures, present it in an easy format and initiate discussions so we can even learn more. It is a huge task, and I am very lucky I am not alone in trying to accomplish it. This is a is a joint effort of many TIG members who contribute in various ways, either behind the screens via mails or by posting in the thread. I would like to thank all of you for contributing and hope you are going to contribute more in the future.

A speciaI word of thanks for Ozio, for sharing his vast Ledy knowledge with me and for all the interesting discussions we have in mails. I meanwhile consider you a real friend, and hope we can meet in real life one day. I thank Wolff, the man who brought us the COO guide, which I used thankfully as the fundament of all figure entries. I thank Uli, Dan, and Rob for all the interesting Ledy discussions we had in the DEV section, mails and in chats in the first half of 2011. I miss you guys, please chime in now and then! I thank AJ for being one of the most active posters in this thread who keeps the discussions going on.

Thanks guys!

Marco

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