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PostSubject: Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda   Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 19, 2010 9:36 am

Hi guys,

I need your help with a LL issue. Below are the pictures of three LL Yoda figures (A, B, C) which I have obtained recently. All three Yodas look genuine LL to me. I am not so sure about their asseccories: cape, belt, snake, and cane.

From research on this forum, RS and the famous german site I would say:

Figure A
  • Cape, Belt, Snake, Cane: All LL

BTW: The snake is firmly attached to Yoda’s left hand by the sticky green paint, so I did not dare to remove it for taking pictures. The little circle is on the bottom (edit) of the snake’s head in contrast to snake B and C where it is positioned on top.

Figure B
  • Cape: LL
  • Belt: LL
  • Snake: no LL
  • Cane: no LL


Figure C
  • Cape: LL
  • Belt: no LL
  • Snake: no LL
  • Cane: no LL


Do you agree guys?

Edit: added pics of the COO for all Yodas as well as their belts.
Edit: added pics of the capes and snakes

Cheers,

Marco

Here are the pics:

Yoda A B C (L to R)
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Yoda A
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Yoda A
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Yoda A COO (did not want to remove the cape completely, because of the stickiness of the paint "glued" to the snake)
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Belt A
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Snake A (bottom)
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Snake A (bottom)
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Snake A (top)
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Yoda B
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Yoda B
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Yoda B
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Belt B
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Snake B
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Snake B
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Snake B
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Yoda C
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Yoda C
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Yoda C
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Belt C
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Snake C
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Snake C
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Snake C
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Canes A B C (L to R)
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Cape A
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Cape B
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Cape C
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PostSubject: Re: Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda   Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 19, 2010 1:59 pm

" The little circle is on top of the snake’s head in contrast to snake B and C where it is positioned below. "
IMO the wet paint is a good sign, cane A is LL, it doesn't look like snake A has the eyes & mold circle on top? The German site has the circle underneath- this is wrong I think. Check the depth of the hole in the small square of their belts.
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PostSubject: Re: Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda   Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 19, 2010 4:58 pm

@aussiejames wrote:
" The little circle is on top of the snake’s head in contrast to snake B and C where it is positioned below. "
IMO the wet paint is a good sign, cane A is LL, it doesn't look like snake A has the eyes & mold circle on top? The German site has the circle underneath- this is wrong I think. Check the depth of the hole in the small square of their belts.

Hi James,

Actually I meant to say the opposite, I edited the text. Thx.

I also added pics of the three belts. The depth of the hole in the small square is deepest for belt B.

All three Yodas have sticky paint.

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PostSubject: Re: Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda   Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 19, 2010 5:16 pm

I will check mine when I return home Marco.

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PostSubject: Re: Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda   Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 19, 2010 11:51 pm

I gotta be honest they all look good. The hole on the head of the snake can be on top or bottom. The green variant is also a ledy variant. The sticks vary so much but they all look good also. I know mine are legit and I have all sorst of hole depth variations and colors. I am on board with all ledy after comparing to mine. I have 6 loose and 1 AFA 85 graded. My AFA 85 example has the holes on the bottom of the snake Smile.

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PostSubject: Re: Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda   Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 20, 2010 3:32 am

okay I agree mostly with Jason.

1. coo: All three are Ledy or PBP.
PBP produced also some figures like Yoda, Luke bespin, Ben Kenobi, etc. that are in no way different from the Ledy ones! So if you bought these in Mexico they are Ledy. If you bought these elsewhere they could be PBP!

2. the snakes:
I agree with Jason. The circle can be on top or underneath. Important is not the circle IMO, because kenner and european snakes can also have the circle. Also the color is also not unique (your green one is possibly faded). IMO the snakes where produced on a spure tree, and some had injection point on head and others underneath.

IMPORTANT on ledy snakes is: they dont have a "dent" between the "eyebrows" ontop of the head!!! This is the only difference I know!
On your snakes Im not sure because I cannot see it clearly on the pics. But 2 and 3 look good as far as I can see. 1 has no pic from above!

3. the sticks:
I agree with James. To me only the first one looks Ledy. The color matches and the injection point is on the right place! They all have the pins below....but the color doesnt look right to me! It could be that Ledy produced them also in this color, but then they match some kenner ones for 100%. How to decide if its ledy then???? Go with the first one to be sure!

4. the belts:
I agree with Jason. The deepth of the circles/injection points is not a clue to identify Ledy belts. They can be deep or not. Doesnt make sense because thats the point where the plastic material was injected in the mold! So of course these can be different!
IMO the pin from the fastener has to be the long one. So 1 and 2 can be ledy...three is not Ledy!

5. the capes:

this is the hardest to decide from the pic. I have honestly no clue. They all look good but the differences are so minor that I have to compare it to my kenner army Very Happy

Hope I could help a bit

BTW: I near future a member here will publish the differences between MIM and Ledy Yodas. I still think there is none, but he means there is one proven on a lot of figures....and its not the coo and not the accessoiries! So we must be patient and wait Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda   Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 20, 2010 3:48 am

comparison:

A: all LL (cannot see the top of the snakes head....so I dont know)

B: I question cape and stick

C: I question cape, stick and belt

B and C snake: a better pic would help!

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PostSubject: Re: Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda   Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 20, 2010 6:56 am

Thanks for your great help guys!

I try to summarize:

Figures:
All three seem to be LL (or PBP). Great!

Snake:
Difficult to judge because details are lacking in the pictures.
Unfortunately my camera is not very well suited for making macro pics, but i gave it a try and added some pics. I apologize for the blurring. I compared the snakes to a Kenner orange one. There I can see a clear dent between the snake’s eyes. I find it difficult to judge whether this dent is present or absent in the other snakes, there is a circle on the same spot sometimes. Any help is very much appreciated here.

Cane:
Yoda “A” seems to be LL, B and C are doubtful based upon their color.

Belt:
Yoda “A” and B seems to be LL. The depth of the circles does not seem to be a distinctive trait. C is definitely not LL because the connecting pin is too short.

Capes:
Yoda “A” seems to be LL, B and C are doubtful. Wolff: What makes you think so?
I added some pictures of the inside of all three capes. They all have some kind of zigzag fabric structure, but it looks different for all three. I hope it can be seen on the pics. Cape A feels very thin, delicate if you want so, Cape B and C feel ‘thicker’.

Seems to be a nice quest for Ledy truth out here!

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PostSubject: Re: Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda   Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 20, 2010 10:20 am

Let me check on the color of the stick. I know I have many variations of color sticks in my collection and they all came from ledy experts. I also have different circle indentations on the sticks. I have a carded MIM ledy yoda, I am out again today (fathers day with my kids Wink) but I will check it out as soon as I return. I will also email some others asking for input. Good thread guys!

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PostSubject: Re: Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda   Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 20, 2010 11:11 am

Hey Marco!
From Where each Yoda come from?Mexico,Spain???This info could be great....
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I will try to get some close ups of the sticks later (which I will focus on for now). We can talk belts and snakes next Wink. You can see from the quick snaps I have below that there are color variations in the sticks.

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@javiswspain wrote:
Hey Marco!
From Where each Yoda come from?Mexico,Spain???This info could be great....
Wellcome a board mate
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Thanks for the welcome Javi!

I bought Yoda "A" from a US based ebay seller, so I would guess chances are slightly higher it will be Mexican.

Yoda B and C were purchased from dutch collectors.

I have just asked all three for more information. Once obtained I will share it with you guys.

Edit: Based upon the sellers' feedback, I would say that all three Yodas are probably Mexican.

Jason: Good to see you will focus on the canes/sticks. As I understand now, it might well be that there is a variety in stick color and circle depth when it comes to LL. Chaos is among us Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda   Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 27, 2010 7:52 am

I HOPE we can now focus on the ledy canes , Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda   Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 27, 2010 7:58 am

From all the new post's in this thread look's like i've been slacking,should of chimed in earlier. :bump:
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PostSubject: Re: Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda   Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 27, 2010 1:48 pm

I just want to add something regarding the snake comment. What exactly is the "dent" being referred to? I have one of these pulled from a cut card (before jason was collecting cut cards, i might add ) and it looks like my snake has an indention between the eyes. I am just not sure if I am looking for the right kind of "dent".

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PostSubject: Re: Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda   Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda I_icon_minitimeMon Aug 30, 2010 4:43 am

maybe this pic helps....left is ledy!

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PostSubject: Re: Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda   Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda I_icon_minitimeMon Aug 30, 2010 6:43 am

Wolff you Da man your photoshop skill's are awesome.
When it comes to the hardcore question's that are asked your able to pose pic's the best in great detail with solid tech.
I nominate you Ambassador of Vintage, without your help life would suck.
I know how busy you are too,and taking the time to set all these hard tech answer session's to all the tech question's is reaaly appreciated.
I know you probably don't here a thank for everything alot but i'll put it out there for everyone you deserve it.
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@xiskool wrote:
I just want to add something regarding the snake comment. What exactly is the "dent" being referred to? I have one of these pulled from a cut card (before jason was collecting cut cards, i might add ) and it looks like my snake has an indention between the eyes. I am just not sure if I am looking for the right kind of "dent".

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PostSubject: Re: Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda   Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda I_icon_minitimeMon Aug 30, 2010 7:07 am

It's the dent on the nose that make's it truly ledy.
I know jame's collecting Ledy's eventually lead a person mad or drink alot.
i'm having both symptom's.
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Wolff: "IMPORTANT on ledy snakes is: they dont have a "dent" between the "eyebrows" ontop of the head!!! This is the only difference I know!" & now we're talking nose dents :scratch: Yoda variants suck Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda   Need some help with Lili Ledy Yoda I_icon_minitimeMon Aug 30, 2010 8:00 am

@aussiejames wrote:
Wolff: "IMPORTANT on ledy snakes is: they dont have a "dent" between the "eyebrows" ontop of the head!!! This is the only difference I know!" & now we're talking nose dents :scratch: Yoda variants suck Razz

what shall I say...you can not picture it right...I try better next time! The dent is between the eyes....Im mean the whole area on top of the head is different! Kenner is indented...Ledy not (besides the area around the injection point)

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@wbobafett wrote:
@aussiejames wrote:
Wolff: "IMPORTANT on ledy snakes is: they dont have a "dent" between the "eyebrows" ontop of the head!!! This is the only difference I know!" & now we're talking nose dents :scratch: Yoda variants suck Razz

what shall I say...you can not picture it right...I try better next time! The dent is between the eyes....Im mean the whole area on top of the head is different! Kenner is indented...Ledy not (besides the area around the injection point)

Wolff


Hey Wolff, many thanks for your time to explain very clearly the differences between dented and non-dented snakes. :clap:

Now let's go back to the topic:

@Dr Dengar wrote:
Thanks for your great help guys!

I try to summarize:

Figures:
All three seem to be LL (or PBP). Great!

Snake:
Difficult to judge because details are lacking in the pictures.
Unfortunately my camera is not very well suited for making macro pics, but i gave it a try and added some pics. I apologize for the blurring. I compared the snakes to a Kenner orange one. There I can see a clear dent between the snake’s eyes. I find it difficult to judge whether this dent is present or absent in the other snakes, there is a circle on the same spot sometimes. Any help is very much appreciated here.

Cane:
Yoda “A” seems to be LL, B and C are doubtful based upon their color.

Belt:
Yoda “A” and B seems to be LL. The depth of the circles does not seem to be a distinctive trait. C is definitely not LL because the connecting pin is too short.

Capes:
Yoda “A” seems to be LL, B and C are doubtful. Wolff: What makes you think so?
I added some pictures of the inside of all three capes. They all have some kind of zigzag fabric structure, but it looks different for all three. I hope it can be seen on the pics. Cape A feels very thin, delicate if you want so, Cape B and C feel ‘thicker’.

Seems to be a nice quest for Ledy truth out here!


I am too far away from my SW stuff right now, so I have to rely on the pics posted earlier in this thread. I would say:
  • snake A: dent, so no LL (despite being sticked to Yoda's hand very firmly?)
  • snake B: no dent, so LL
  • snake C: no dent, so LL


What do you think guys?
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@Dr Dengar wrote:

  • snake A: dent, so no LL (despite being sticked to Yoda's hand very firmly?)
  • snake B: no dent, so LL
  • snake C: no dent, so LL


What do you think guys?


Chris' snake from the cut card has some sort of dent between the eyes so I'm still undersided.
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@aussiejames wrote:
@Dr Dengar wrote:

  • snake A: dent, so no LL (despite being sticked to Yoda's hand very firmly?)
  • snake B: no dent, so LL
  • snake C: no dent, so LL


What do you think guys?


Chris' snake from the cut card has some sort of dent between the eyes so I'm still undersided.

Dan, Jason: you own a couple of LL Yodas. What do you think?
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Dan, Jason: you own a couple of LL Yodas. What do you think?

Marco,

I will check when I get home and let you know Smile

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