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PostSubject: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 15, 2010 7:09 am

It's funny how this stuff happens, I saw Dennis was selling a lovely R5-D4 SW card in the classifieds and he mentioned some damage on the left side from an Oscar case and I thought to myself wow what a shame, didn't give it too much thought.

Today I rearranged my display, decided to put a trilogo card in an Oscar case that previously held a Kenner and I heard a noise, stopped pushing it in and looked on the left side and sure enough a nice scratch had just appeared Sad

I think some of the acrylic pieces that hold the card in place on some of his cases are quite tight and with cardstock varying some figures are a tight fit, I would just like to say to people to be cautious in the future, if something doesn't seem to want to go in easily don't force it.

Anyone think its worth mentioning to Oscar? It might just be coincidence but it happened on the left side of mine as well as with Dennis..

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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 15, 2010 7:36 am

@Joe_O wrote:
It's funny how this stuff happens, I saw Dennis was selling a lovely R5-D4 SW card in the classifieds and he mentioned some damage on the left side from an Oscar case and I thought to myself wow what a shame, didn't give it too much thought.

Today I rearranged my display, decided to put a trilogo card in an Oscar case that previously held a Kenner and I heard a noise, stopped pushing it in and looked on the left side and sure enough a nice scratch had just appeared Sad

I think some of the acrylic pieces that hold the card in place on some of his cases are quite tight and with cardstock varying some figures are a tight fit, I would just like to say to people to be cautious in the future, if something doesn't seem to want to go in easily don't force it.

Anyone think its worth mentioning to Oscar? It might just be coincidence but it happened on the left side of mine as well as with Dennis..


The same thing has happened to me Joe an Oscarcase caused some edgewear damaged to my Top Toys Stormie MOC a few years back these days i am super careful to test the gap between the holding acrylic and the card thickness before i attempt to put a MOC in any acrylic case as i have found the gap allowed can vary quite a bit!

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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 15, 2010 7:45 am

Nightmare! I just posted it on RS to see if anyone else had the same issue would you mind posting there Jay?

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I hope its not done any serious damage to any big $$$ figures, I would be gutted if it happened to a proof for example..
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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 15, 2010 10:47 am

Unfortunately this has happened to me as well. On my Meccano. The good thing is it started with the previous owner, so I didn't feel like I "created" the damage. But it's still there.

On all my newer cases it isn't a problem though. I usually take an old cardback and slide it in and out in the case to test it out first, before I toss the MOC in there.

Personally, I think it's more of an issue on his older cases than his newer stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 15, 2010 11:22 am

My cases are just a few months old Sad
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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 15, 2010 1:34 pm

That's the last straw now, I just checked my pictures of my Macau 8D8 and it was flawless before it arrived and flawless when it arrived yet now in its case up in my display cabinet its got a chunk missing from the left hand side ...

This is just ridiculous.

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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 15, 2010 1:47 pm

i was just looking at my MOC's just yesterday thinking that i could do with replacing my Star Cases with Acrylic cases, but i am not sure what to do now! well i dont have this problem with coins Wink
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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 15, 2010 1:50 pm

That really sucks, Joe. You buy something to store the item in and protect it from damage but then it gets damaged when using the storage case. I have almost just regular Star cases to protect my MOC's. They work for me but of course an acryllic case is nicer.

Maybe you could post some pics of the MOC and the damage.
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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 15, 2010 1:55 pm

Going to work on the pictures tonight and if Dennis doesn't mind I can add his R5 to each thread, its shocking, I actually saw it happen on a beater and it just works like a razer blade and slices right down the card edge, its just not fair, I dread to think what it could possibly ruin, I am pissed off that my 100 euro figure is sliced, imagine a POTF proof or a rare Foreign figure...

Sorry to Oscar if this hits him in the ass but in my opinion this is a design flaw and its not fair on the people that buy his cases, before now I had NEVER heard of a problem with any acrylic cases and thats what pushed me into buying some, if I had known this before hand I wouldn't have bought any.
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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 15, 2010 2:03 pm

I was wandering if any one has bought the UK version: Posted in for sale thread as: AFA Style Acrlic Cases For Sale, all sizes

Dose the same proble exist? With a big bucket list of MOC closed off I was hopeing to buy a bulk load of cases to display them and Oscar was going to be my port of call.
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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 15, 2010 2:06 pm

I haven't heard much about this guys work but hes pretty active in buying Star Wars as well and I think hes got the money
to make it all work.

In that RS thread above Craig, Christian mentioned the AFA cases from CGA are polished/finished much nicer than Oscars so maybe thats an idea.

Site is here - http://www.cgagrading.com/OnlineStore/default.aspx
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Thanks Joe... it took me ages to get some of the MOCs - and that was only possible becuase Shawn had my back on the other side of the pond. I'll break my heart if I fucked one of them up.
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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 15, 2010 2:17 pm

Imagine how I feel Sad

It's one thing buying a damaged MOC but to know the damage came from something you inadvertently did to it sucks big time, I have a real passion for MOC and I try my best to take care of them as good as I can, really has pissed me off.
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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 15, 2010 2:36 pm

@Joe_O wrote:
Imagine how I feel Sad

It's one thing buying a damaged MOC but to know the damage came from something you inadvertently did to it sucks big time, I have a real passion for MOC and I try my best to take care of them as good as I can, really has pissed me off.

I think i have pretty good idea how you feel, i was gutted also when it happend to me, but hé that's life.

It happen to me when i gently pushed the R5 into the case, it all went good untill i reached that lower part where the bubble was atached, i noticed that the side off the card scraped along the guider causing some minimal damage, so i pushed the left edge off the card down a bit, and slided it further in, but at the last part i could not push it down anymore (had no more space left to hold the edge off the card) and again damage began to occur, so i decide to take it backout (to put it in a starcase) and itwas then the real damage came, it scraped all along the edge, and there was no room to get my hand in the case to push the card down a bit (the bubble was in the way) so i tried to take it out as gently as possible, and stood there with a heavy scraped card in my hand.... No

Man i felt sick, this was such a nice R5, and now it got damaged because off me....

But i learned my lesson, i'll be much more carefull when putting moc's in an oscar case, and i certainly try to avoid taking them out for no reason, if i need a pic from a moc, i take it with the moc inside the case.


I don't think it's Oscars fault, he could not have known if no one ever told him. But maybe it's an good idea, to let him know, and maybe he can bring some changes to the design to avoid things like this to happen in the future.

Anyway, i gave it a thought to, and here is some quick drawing i made with Paint.

Your looking at an Oscar in side view and i think if you bend the ends off the guiders away from the back a bit as shown in my sketch, you won't get any cards scratched anymore.

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Cheers, Dennis.
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PostSubject: edit   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 15, 2010 3:29 pm

Maybe this help??sorry , i dont know what are you looking for Joe ...
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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeFri Oct 15, 2010 9:11 pm

Thank you Javi, the pictures helped a lot, I have looked at some of my cases tonight and some have very small broken edges and chips, I feel very bad that I have MOC / proofs in them that I am not 100% sure I can successfully get out without damage now, really sucks.

Here are my pictures anyway, posted on RS also- not as bad as others but I would rather have no damage at ALL from a protective case. Think I will email Oscar in the morning.

This is the Dengar Tri I actually received today, I switched out a MOC to case this guy up and that's when I saw two points of damage occur on the edge, I slid it back out to not make it worse and it scratched an almost complete unbroken line on the cardback it was so sharp.
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These are the pictures of the MOC I had on display till now and had no clue it was scratched.. Sad

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Last picture shows some scuffing from the card being pushed up into the top rail and the jagged/broken edges Sad Sad Sad
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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 16, 2010 3:11 am

That's really bad. There is damage all over the place. Wonder how big of a problem this is with Oscars cases?
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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 16, 2010 4:32 am

That does suck Joe, those edges are obviously pretty sharp.

Im sure they could be rounded off in some way, so there is no sharp edge.

I want to get some acrylic cases for my carded, but im a bit worried now.

I have some flawless ones from toytoni so i really don't want any scrapes etc.


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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 16, 2010 5:27 am

Yeah I wouldn't want a MOC like the ones coming from Toni (C9.9 any day of the week) to get scratched up, I know these are toys but honestly like Dennis said earlier it makes you feel sick to the stomach when you have it happen.

I am a bit happier today I got my proof card out of an Oscar case without Damage and back into a cheap ass toploader! Thank god.
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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 16, 2010 11:31 am

Wow Joe, you've opened up a whole can of (acrylic) worms here with your discovery, sorry you and Dennis have suffered some damage but it's good that you both can warn the community now of the dangers of this. I don't collect moc but I do have a couple and maybe one day would have liked to display them - Oscars has a great rep so I would naturally call there. Thanks for letting everyone know, and be interesting what Oscar says.
Good news, Joe, your proof escaped well enough Smile

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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 16, 2010 11:37 am

[quote=AJ_van_Zelst]As fas as I know also AFA (sealed and open) cases (cc-toycases-AFA).

They should make the guiderails like this. They know the problem exsists for years.


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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 16, 2010 2:48 pm

@Del wrote:
That does suck Joe, those edges are obviously pretty sharp.

Im sure they could be rounded off in some way, so there is no sharp edge.

I want to get some acrylic cases for my carded, but im a bit worried now.

I have some flawless ones from toytoni so i really don't want any scrapes etc.



Yeah i got some very nice C9.9 Condition MOC's from Toytoni living in starcases at the mo and i really want to get them in nice cases and was hoping to order some soon. In fact i was blagging the mrs to put it on my Xmas wish list lol

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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 16, 2010 3:08 pm

just reading through this thread and im shocked at the damage thats being caused and suprised its never been picked up on before, well done to Joe for highlighting this. I dont own any of these cases as my moc's are in star cases baring one sealed afa one.

the lad who is making them ( oscar? ) must surely rethink how they are made, maybe smoothing any sharp edges before its assembled to reduce the risk of damage, maybe adding a small amount of cloth? inbetween the guide rails so there is still a snug fit but without the risk of damage? Obviously anything like this will push the price up BUT if its an expensive piece then surely it will be worth it?

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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 27, 2010 11:20 am

A bump because there are some interesting pictures on the RS thread (linked on 1st page of this thread) which show a new design from Oscar, much nicer finish to the rails, the gap between the back of the case and the rail looks slightly larger and there is now a lip on the side rails and not a straight edge.

I would still exercise caution with older cases that look like the ones pictured in the RS thread (and here) because some clearly have some issues and can cause damage.
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PostSubject: Re: The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning!   The hidden danger with some oscar cases - A warning! I_icon_minitimeSun Jan 02, 2011 11:49 am

While the damage was done to some figures (check the RS thread on the first page of this thread for more examples) there was some good advice that came out of this, Steve posted on RS that he uses thin strips of paper to side under the rails before he puts the carded figures in his cases, well I now also use this method and so far so good, it still takes time on the cases with tighter rails and I still believe it was a considerably bad design/finish flaw but the paper trick works and will save you buying brand new cases if you have ones that you are worried about.

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