I Have a bib that I'm a bit confused about and would like your thought's weather its a Ledy variant or not? I know ledy didnt have very strict control's when it came to releasing figures and also that some of there figures COOs changed slightly over time, resulting in COO variants.

The one on the right is a ledy and the one on the left is a HK variant. The one in the middle I'm confused about, It has the same plastic and paint job as the ledy one but the date mark on the left leg is the same position as the HK variant. The HK on the right leg is in the same position as the ledy but a couple of letters are different, the coat is ledy.

Hi Scott,

If I remember correctly there are two Ledy Bib Fortuna COO variants. Ledy can have COO no. 3 and no. 2.

Mine has no. 3. And yours?

merlin wrote:

The Admiral wrote:

Hi again Merlin, do feel free to contribute at any time m8 - this is really one big community project and it would be nice for any help or info

Thats good homework on the Zuckus rifle lads

Thanks !!! ..... I`ll be around trying to contribute more with this thread!!! .... I also think this is a very important project , considering that thanks to this thread, I will own now that zuckuss from Mario!!!!....

Awesome dude, that was one lucky visit you had

wbobafett wrote:

llseeker wrote:

1. The ackbar pictured is not LL. LL has lighter red head and the paint on the arms is shiny and a little glossy.


Carlos

Thats just wrong! Common mistake on the LL Ackbar! The light red head and shiny arms is pictured in many Ledy guides....but its a normal production figure you can get every day on ebay ! The true Ledy Ackbar is prety unspectacular and I think thats the reason why always this certain variant is called Ledy...but its wrong!

The one pictured could be a ledy....not sure...and to lazy to search mine to compare! Its a pretty tricky figure...but it looks good from mind!

Wolff

The discussion about Ackbar has not yield a conclusive answer yet. Carlos was so kind to send me some pics of his Ackbars.
I hope they will shed some better light on this issue.


I pictured 2 LL ackbars (the 2 on the left) and you will see that one of them has slightly brownish/red arms (1st from the left) and the other has red arms (2nd from the left). The 3rd from the left is a no coo (supposedly made in Macao) fig and the 4th from the left is a regular HK coo Kenner dude.

Clearly the LL's heads are lighter red as you can also see in the MOC example.

Dr Dengar wrote:

Hi Scott,

If I remember correctly there are two Ledy Bib Fortuna COO variants. Ledy can have COO no. 3 and no. 2.

Mine has no. 3. And yours?

Dr Dengar thanks for your reply mate, I didn't know that ledys could also have no. 2 COO.

My bib has the same HK stamp on his right leg as no. 3 and the the same date stamp on his left leg as no. 2, if you look closely the two O's in HONG KONG they are different on both COO's Pictured.

COO guide for AT-ST Driver: No. 2 is shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner


AT-ST Driver: Lili Ledy on the right


AT-ST Driver: Lili Ledy on the right


AT-ST Driver: Lili Ledy on the right


AT-ST Driver: Lili Ledy on the right


AT-ST Driver: Lili Ledy on the right



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy AT-ST driver has:
- A shoulder emblem in 'bold face' which has a different orientation towards the mould line (indicated by the blue dashed line in the picture)
- A greenish grey instead of light grey helmet
- A slightly darker grey suit
- Darker skin colour


LEDY VARIATIONS:

• The black paint on AT-ST driver can be matt or glossy. So there can be small variations regarding the gloves, belt, boots and sun glasses.
  
  
• Below you see two Ledy AT ST drivers. The one on the right has a darker grey suit, probably due to yellowing of the plastic. So this is not a true variant but a transformant / discolored figure.
  You can read more about discoloration of figures here:
  https://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t3379-everything-you-always-wanted-to-know-about-discolored-figures-but-were-afraid-to-ask
  

AT-ST Driver: Two Lili Ledy figures, the one on the right has a darker grey suit.


AT-ST Driver: Two Lili Ledy figures, the one on the right has a darker grey suit.


ACCESSORIES
The Ledy AT ST driver carries a black palace blaster. The blaster has the V3 mould which differs from the V1 mould of the black Kenner blaster that came with Lando General and Luke Poncho.

Hey Marco. This is really going to be the ultimate LL Guide. Great job so far. Please keep going.

love this LL guide its awesome its allso helped me out loads and gets rid of all the false info that is out there well done lads keep up the good work

cheers jase

COO guide for Ben Kenobi: No. 7 is shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner


NOTE:

• The Ledy Ben Kenobi has COO no. 7. In the pics below a comparison is made with a Kenner figure having a similar COO (no. 4) as I don't have the exact Kenner counterpart in my collection yet.
  
• The Ledy and PBP Ben Kenobi are exactly the same, there are no differences in paint or accessories.
  

Ben Kenobi: Lili Ledy on the right


Ben Kenobi: Lili Ledy on the right


Ben Kenobi: Lili Ledy on the right


Ben Kenobi: Lili Ledy on the right


Ben Kenobi: Lili Ledy on the right


Ben Kenobi: Lili Ledy on the right


Ben Kenobi: Lili Ledy on the right



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to a Kenner figure (COO #4), the Ledy Ben Kenobi (COO #7) has:
- darker grey hair, eye brows, moustache, and beard. In addition the eye brows, moustache and beard are sprayed 'thicker'.
- a more pinkish skin colour
- an index finger (at right hand) which extends over the edge of the light saber holder (*)
- thicker shoe soles (*)
- a left foot which extends longer from underneath the 'cloak' (*)

NOTE: The differences indicated with (*) are NOT unique for the Ledy Ben Kenobi. These are specific traits for the steel mould which is linked to COO #7. As this mould was also used by Kenner (explained in the 1st post of this thread) there are also Kenner figures having this trait.



ACCESSORIES

• The Ledy Ben came with a vinyl cape which differs from a Kenner cape in the following ways:
  - lighter brown colour
  - 'smooth' feeling as it is made from more flexible vinyl
  - absence of the typical 'zipping' sound when you scrape your finger against any side of the cape.
  - arm holes are positioned a bit lower
  
  
  
  
• The Ledy Ben holds a blue light saber which has a thicker tip compared to the Kenner saber.
  
  
  

Dirk (Lordsick did a great job already), but I wish he had finished his work,
Most of you know the Thread as primary rock
http://www.lichtgeschwindigkeit.de/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3812
2008 was his last post in the German Forum. Don´t know if he is still collecting Star Wars figures...especially LL Figures. Either he has probably sold his figures???
Couldn´t be that difficult just to say a short "hello" I am still here or whatever. Seems to be had had found other priorities in his life.
Sorry, but still no excuse for me. He may have other interests. Everyone of us does respect this, but it couldn´t be that problem telling the community "I am out".

Can´t believe it. During writing a post Marco throws out the next figure guide.
Could you make any defference out between the PBP and LL Ben Kenobi?

COO guide for B-Wing Pilot: No. 2 is shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner


B-Wing Pilot: Lili Ledy on the right


B-Wing Pilot: Lili Ledy on the right


B-Wing Pilot: Lili Ledy on the right


B-Wing Pilot: Lili Ledy on the right


B-Wing Pilot: Lili Ledy on the right



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy B-Wing Pilot has:
- a darker red suit
- a glossy darker brown 'leather' on the helmet
- glossy instead of matt black headphones on the helmet
- a chin strap which is painted black at the top AND bottom side (Kenner figure with COO no. 2 has only black paint at the top)
- glossy darker brown boots
- glossy black chest and back plate
- a darker skin colour
- lighter brown eyes and eyebrows  


ACCESSORIES
The Ledy B-Wing Pilot carries a grey/green palace blaster. The blaster has the V3 mould.

Great Job Marco, amazing info and pics.

unbelievable.
Ozio....you are from Mexico. Anything to add?

mike-skywalker wrote:

Can´t believe it. During writing a post Marco throws out the next figure guide.
Could you make any defference out between the PBP and LL Ben Kenobi?

Hi Mirco,
I had both in hands and i couldnt see any major differences
cheers

So they are completely equal.
The only way is to tell where the figure is from.

COO guide for Bib Fortuna: No. 3 is shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner.
EDIT: From the discussions further on in this thread it became clear that besides no. 3 also no. 2 is shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner (see further below this post).


Bib Fortuna: Lili Ledy on the right


Bib Fortuna: Lili Ledy on the right


Bib Fortuna: Lili Ledy on the right


Bib Fortuna: Lili Ledy on the right


Bib Fortuna: Lili Ledy on the right


Bib Fortuna: Lili Ledy on the right


Bib Fortuna: Lili Ledy on the right


Bib Fortuna: Lili Ledy on the right


Bib Fortuna: Lili Ledy on the right


DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy Bib Fortuna has:
- a darker skin colour (face and tentacles)
- a body which is cast in a darker greenish blue plastic
- lighter pink eyes and mouth


LEDY VARIATIONS:

• Bib Fortuna wearing a burgundy instead of green cape (pics will follow).
  
  
• There exist four slightly different COOs for the Ledy Bib Fortuna.
  
  
  COO no. 2
  
  2A LEFT LEG:  "(c) LFL 83" positioned further to the left   /  RIGHT LEG: "HONG KONG" with big "O" of "KONG"
  2B LEFT LEG:  "(c) LFL 83" positioned further to the left   /  RIGHT LEG: "HONG KONG" with normal "O" of "KONG"
  
  COO no. 2A (left) and 2B (right)
  
  
  
  COO no. 3
  
  3A  LEFT LEG:  "(c) LFL 83" positioned further to the right   /  RIGHT LEG: "HONG KONG" with big "O" of "KONG"
  3B  LEFT LEG:  "(c) LFL 83" positioned further to the right   /  RIGHT LEG: "HONG KONG" with normal "O" of "KONG"
  
  COO no. 3A (left) and 3B (right)
  
  
  Kudos for Scot (snaggletooth) for providing these pics.
  
  

ACCESSORIES

• The Ledy Bib Fortuna wears a cape which is made from a totally different material compared to the Kenner cape. The cape can be green or burgundy (rare!).
  
  
  
  
• The Ledy Bib carries a dark grey staff and chest plate having the same mould as their lighter grey Kenner counterparts.  
  

mike-skywalker wrote:

unbelievable.
Ozio....you are from Mexico. Anything to add?

I don't have PBP figs to compare to my LL's...
But i take Javi's word, i think this also happens with PBP-LL C3PO

Again... Great job Marco

COO guide for Boba Fett: No. 5 is unique for Lili Ledy


NOTE: The Ledy Boba Fett has an unique COO (no. 5). In the pics below a comparison is made with a Kenner figure having COO no. 2 (Made in Hong Kong).
   

Boba Fett: Lili Ledy on the right


Boba Fett: Lili Ledy on the right


Boba Fett: Lili Ledy on the right


Boba Fett: Lili Ledy on the right



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Ledy Boba Fett has:
- a darker violet body colour
- glossy instead of matt red wrist armour (right arm). The same paint is applied on the helmet.
- glossy instead of matt yellow armour (knees, shoulder, wrist of left arm)
- glossy instead of matt purple paint applied on the the rocket launcher
- darker green armour chest plates
- lighter brown belt and side pockets
- bit lighter red rocket


LEDY VARIATIONS:

• Ledy Boba Fett with split scar (similar as COO no. 4)
  
  
• Ledy Boba Fett with non sonic welded removable rocket.
  
  An original LL Removable Rocket must have:
  -Clean rocket hole, no stress marks, not red residues from rocket, no melt marks from welding process, even if the rocket was inserted and taken out a lot of times those characteristics are not present on an original LL RR Boba Fett.
  -Clean rocket with no blue residues at all, no melt marks and no missing parts.
  
  Below is a link to Ozio's special report where you can read everything you always wanted to know about the Removable Rocke Boba fett.
  
  OZIO's Special Report: Lili Ledy Removable Rocket Boba Fett
  
  

ACCESSORIES
The Ledy Boba Fett wears a solid blue or black imperial blaster having a different mould (V6 or V7) compared to the Kenner blasters.







Lili Ledy solid blue and solid black imperial blasters. Top row: V7 mould. Bottom row: V6 mould. (Pic provided by Ozio).



Four bad asses in a row: Taiwan, Hong Kong, Ledy, Trilogo

COO guide for Darth Vader


NOTE:

• The Ledy Darth Vader has a COO not yet listed in the COO guide. It is similar to COO no. 11 but here the "H" of Hong Kong is left aligned with the "M" of "G.M.F.G.I. 1977. In addition "Hong Kong" is clearly and fully visisble (though difficult to see on the pics below).
  
• The COO guide seems to link COO no. 8 to the Ledy Vader but with a question mark.
  
• In the pics below a comparison is made with a Palitoy figure having COO no. 8 (thx Jay!).
  

Darth Vader: Lili Ledy on the right


Darth Vader: Lili Ledy on the right


Darth Vader: Lili Ledy on the right


Darth Vader: Lili Ledy on the right


Darth Vader: Lili Ledy on the right


Darth Vader: Lili Ledy on the right


Darth Vader: Lili Ledy on the right



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Palitoy counterpart, the Ledy Darth Vader has:
- different sculpt details:
                             

• left hand
                                 
  
• right hand
                                 
  
• chest plate (also different painting here)
                                 
  
• belt (also different painting here)
                                 
  
• head (protruding left mouth corner)
  

- a glossy black body, you can easily see this when observing the very shiny boots




ACCESSORIES

• The Ledy Vader came with a vinyl cape which differs from a Kenner cape in the following ways:
  - 'smooth' feeling as it is made from more flexible vinyl. (Note that the Palitoy cape is also more flexible compared to a Kenner cape, but the feeling is different, more leather like.)
  - absence of the typical 'zipping' sound when you scrape your finger against any side of the cape. (Note this is also the case for the Palitoy cape)
  - the cape is shorter in length and the bigger sized arm holes are positioned a bit lower when compared to the Palitoy cape in the pic below. I didn't check this for the Kenner cape. Anyone?)
  
  
  
  
• The Ledy Vader holds a red light saber which has a thicker tip compared to the Kenner saber.
  
  
  

Holy crap Marco, amazing work!

I was gone for 2 day's,and wow Marco you'v been busy.
Great work all in all, your realy getting the Ledy info goin in top gear,Kudos my friend.
Dan.

Great work Marco!!! .....