Great research again Marco

Love the update and info

Thanks AJ and StarWizz!

AJ: Yeah, I agree with you, 99.99% custom figure.




Weird Looking Ledy Figures

Sorry guys had some beaters over

Aj, Marco your right this figures never left the factory this way,
I also 99.99% agree that this are custom made figures.



Let we call these guys ' Made in 10 sec's ' then

That is some sound proof that these weird figures are customs indeed.

Good work StarWizz.

Now go on and make us a patchless Prune Face in 10 seconds.

Probably it will take a bit longer but in the end it can be done, as this Prune Face is a custom figure too.

@Dr Dengar wrote:

Now go on and make us a patchless Prune Face in 10 seconds.

Probably it will take a bit longer but in the end it can be done, as this Prune Face is a custom figure too.

COO guide for Leia Combat Poncho


NOTE: COO #2 is shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner

COO #2

Leia Combat Poncho: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Leia Combat Poncho: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Leia Combat Poncho: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Leia Combat Poncho: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Leia Combat Poncho: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Leia Combat Poncho: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Leia Combat Poncho: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Leia Combat Poncho: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).



DIFFERENCES:

Compared to her Kenner  counterpart, the LL Leia Combat Poncho has:
- A darker pinkish face
- Darker brown eyes, and eyebrows
- Glossy instead of matt brown hair
- A more greenish grey shirt
- Different helmet, poncho, and gun (see below)



PAINT VARIATIONS:

Small Variations:
The small paint differences between the Lili Ledy figures (for instance the size of the pupils) which can be seen in the picture below are due to small batch to batch variations in the Leia line.

Comparison between Leia figures: Counterclockwise starting at the top: 1 (Kenner), 2 (Ledy), 3 (Ledy), 4 (Ledy)


The black paint on the boots can be glossy or matt. This is often the case for black paint applied by Lili Ledy, other examples are Madine’s boots and AT-ST driver’s belt.  

Small differences between Lili Ledy Leia’s: Poncho (darker and lighter green camouflage ‘spots’) and boots (matt and glossy).


Small differences between Lili Ledy Leia’s: Poncho (darker and lighter green camouflage ‘spots’) and boots (matt and glossy).


ACCESSORIES

HELMET:



BELT:




PONCHO:
The Ledy poncho has a different and darker green camouflage pattern compared to the Kenner poncho. Besides the Ledy poncho is lacking the holes for the belt.





Small variations in the color of the poncho can occur (see pictures further above)


GUN:

The Ledy Leia Poncho carries a grey or blue Leia gun.

COO guide for Lumat


NOTE: Lumat has COO #1 which means an absence of all possible markings: no country of origin, no copyright, no datestamp.


COO #1

Lumat


Lumat


Lumat


Lumat


Lumat


Lumat


Lumat



PAINT VARIATIONS:

Small Variations:
The small paint differences between the different Lumat figures which can be seen in the picture below are due to small batch to batch variations in the Lumat line.
- Mouth and nose: matt / glossy grey-blue paint
- Eyes: matt / glossy black paint

Comparison between Lumat figures. From left to right: Lumat A, B, C.


- Lumat A. Matt black eyes. Glossy grey-blue mouth and nose
- Lumat B. Matt black eyes. Matt grey-blue mouth and nose paint
- Lumat C. Glossy black eyes. Matt grey-blue mouth and nose



ACCESSORIES


BOW:




HOOD:




QUIVER:

Small paint differences between different quivers are possible, probably reflecting small batch to batch variations.

Comparison between Lumat quivers. From left to right: Quiver A, B, C, D.


- Quiver A. Arrow points fully painted in glossy creamy-white
- Quiver B: Arrow points partly painted in glossy creamy-white
- Quiver C: Arrow points fully painted in matt white
- Quiver D: Arrow points partly painted in glossy creamy-white.


NOTES

• ALL Lumats were produced by Lili Ledy in Mexico, so also including the ones which appeared on non Ledy cards. (Made in Mexico, POTF, and Trilogo).
  
• In the comparison pictures shown above, a Kenner counterpart is therefore lacking.
  
• Small differences can be observed for the Lumat figures and accessories:
  - Mouth and nose: matt / glossy grey-blue paint
  - Eyes: matt / glossy black paint
  - Quiver: arrow points fully/partially painted in bright/creamy white
  
• These small paint differences between the Lili Ledy figures are due to small batch to batch variations in the Lumat line.
  
• It is an urban myth you can use these small differences to make a distinction between a ‘true’ Lili Ledy coming from a Ledy card and a Lumat which was released on any other card. Proof you can read by clicking the link below:  
  The Lumat Case: Is there a difference between Lili Ledy and Made in Mexico Figures?
  

(Post 666 in this thread, not a bad omen, I hope )

Ackbar's entry has been updated with new pics and a better description of the differences to look for.

Admiral Ackbar

Keep up the great work Marco!

I'm looking forward to going through my Ledys and using this thread (and the main guide) to confirm a few question marks in my Ledy run to date...just hope there aren't too many I need to replace

COO guide for Stormtrooper


NOTE: COO #9A/9B is shared by the Lili Ledy and PBP Stromtrooper.

COO #9A and COO #9B

The Ledy Stormtrooper came with two slightly different COOs. They differ only in the spacing between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’:
-COO #9A: Almost no space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’
-COO #9B: Bigger space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’

These small COO differences do not indicate any differences in paint schemes.

REMARK: In the pics below a comparison is made between a Lili Ledy and PBP Stormtrooper. A Trilogo Stormtrooper is also included for reference. All three versions have a hard torso, which is cast in much more detailed plastic.

Hard Torso Stormtroopers: Trilogo (left, COO #11), PBP (middle, COO #9B), Lili Ledy (right, COO #9A)


Hard Torso Stormtroopers: Trilogo (left, COO #11), PBP (middle, COO #9B), Lili Ledy (right, COO #9A)


Hard Torso Stormtroopers: Trilogo (left, COO #11), PBP (middle, COO #9B), Lili Ledy (right, COO #9A)


Hard Torso Stormtroopers: Trilogo (left, COO #11), PBP (middle, COO #9B), Lili Ledy (right, COO #9A)


Hard Torso Stormtroopers: Trilogo (left, COO #11), PBP (middle, COO #9B), Lili Ledy (right, COO #9A)


Hard Torso Stormtroopers: Trilogo (left, COO #11), PBP (middle, COO #9B), Lili Ledy (right, COO #9A)


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Comparison between Ledy Stormtroopers: COO #9A (left figure, almost no space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’) and COO #9B (right figure, bigger space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’).


Comparison between Ledy Stormtroopers: COO #9A (left figure, almost no space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’) and COO #9B (right figure, bigger space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’).


Comparison between Ledy Stormtroopers: COO #9A (left figure, almost no space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’) and COO #9B (right figure, bigger space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’).


Comparison between Ledy Stormtroopers: COO #9A (left figure, almost no space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’) and COO #9B (right figure, bigger space between ‘©’ and ‘G.M.F.G.I. 1977.’).



DIFFERENCES:

Compared to his PBP counterpart, the Ledy Stormtrooper has:
- A thicker black helmet band
- A wider black mouth piece
- Bright instead of creamy white head, torso and limbs
- Limbs made from soft instead of hard (more detailed) plastic
- Sometimes a filled peghole in the right foot (see the pics further below)

Remark: The PBP Stormtrooper in the picture totally lacks the black paint on the helmet 'ear' pieces. Probably a factory error.

Compared to his Trilogo counterpart, the Ledy Stormtrooper has:
- Another COO: COO #9A/#9B instead of COO #10/#11
- A thicker black helmet band
- A wider black mouth piece


Comparison between Stormtroopers. From left to right: 1 (PBP), 2 (Ledy, COO #9A), 3 (Ledy, COO #9A), 4 (Ledy, COO #9A), 5 (Ledy, COO #9B).
Note that all Ledy Stormtroopers have a filled peghole in the right foot.



Comparison between Stormtroopers. From left to right: 1 (PBP), 2 (Ledy, COO #9A), 3 (Ledy, COO #9A), 4 (Ledy, COO #9A), 5 (Ledy, COO #9B).
Note that all Ledy Stormtroopers have a filled peghole in the right foot.



ACCESSORIES

The Ledy Stormtrooper wears a solid black imperial blaster having a different mould (V6 or V7) compared to the Kenner blasters.






Lili Ledy solid blue and solid black imperial blasters. Top row: V7 mould. Bottom row: V6 mould. (Pic provided by Ozio).

WOW MArco!!
Amazing thread as usally!
i am agree 100% with the info about the PBP Stormie compared with the Ledy one.
Keep the good work my friend!!
thanks for sharing!!

On Page 10 BILLIAM666 wrote:

When I first saw a filled in peghole Ledy Stormtrooper I thought it was just a one time error figure but there seems to be a few them out there. Also is it always the right leg peg hole filled?

All Ledy Stormtroopers in the pic below have a filled peghole in their right feet. So it seems to be something consistent along the Stromtrooper line and probably Ledy's Quality Control is not to blame here. Moreover because the filled peghole occurs for both COO #9A as well as the slightly different COO #9B, this strongly suggests that Ledy used at least two different steel moulds having the same defect.


Maybe Lili Ledy got steel moulds from the far East which were no longer approved for the production of Kenner figures?

Maybe Lili Ledy didn't care so much, as there were no playsets (Cantina, Land of the Jawas, Display arena, etc.) produced for the Mexican market which should be able to hold figures. If you don't sell anything with pegs, why border about pegholes.
In fact the only Ledy item that might have come with some pegs is the Millenium Falcon, maybe the Imperial Shuttle as well.

Comparison between Stormtroopers. From left to right: 1 (PBP), 2 (Ledy, COO #9A), 3 (Ledy, COO #9A), 4 (Ledy, COO #9A), 5 (Ledy, COO #9B).
Note that all Ledy Stormtroopers have a filled peghole in the right foot.



I also saw a few Ledy Ben figures with the same defect......

BTW: Are there any Ledy Stormtroopers out there without a filled peghole? If Yes, please share.

Thanks AJ!

So it seems that there are also Ledy Stormtroopers with normals pegholes. It must be a coincidence that all four Stormis in my collection have filled pegholes.

So maybe it was not a mould defect but a quality issue after all. :scratch:

BTW: I have just changed the description in the Stormtrooper's entry.

Compared to his PBP counterpart, the Ledy Stormtrooper has:
- A thicker black helmet band
- A wider black mouth piece
- Bright instead of creamy white head, torso and limbs
- Limbs made from soft instead of hard (more detailed) plastic
- Sometimes a filled peghole in the right foot

@Dr Dengar wrote:

Thanks AJ!

So it seems that there are also Ledy Stormtroopers with normals pegholes. It must be a coincidence that all four Stormis in my collection have filled pegholes.

So maybe it was not a mould defect but a quality issue after all. :scratch:

BTW: I have just changed the description in the Stormtrooper's entry.

Compared to his PBP counterpart, the Ledy Stormtrooper has:
- A thicker black helmet band
- A wider black mouth piece
- Bright instead of creamy white head, torso and limbs
- Limbs made from soft instead of hard (more detailed) plastic
- Sometimes a filled peghole in the right foot

Marco, just to let you know my LL MOC Stormie has a filled peghole, is on a 30 back.
I will ask my friends if their LL MOC Stormies are the same , and what number is the card back!

After more research , here is another LL MOC Stormie 100%Factory sealed on a back 30 , as you can see , it doesn't have the pegholes filled. So that means that we DON'T know why some are filled and some are not.

For a second I thought that the difference was depending on the backs, but now we have two Back 30 with one filled and one that is not filled.
PIC courtesy of ackbar100

Hey Adolfo, nice contribution, where is the 'like' button !!!

would you mind sending me one of those MOC examples, just so I can independently confirm your findings???

COO guide for Chewbacca


NOTE: COO #13 is shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner
The Chewie sharing the same COO as the LL version, is an European variant.

COO #13

Chewbacca COO #13: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Chewbacca COO #13: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Chewbacca COO #13: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).



DIFFERENCES:

Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the LL Chewbacca
- is cast in a bit darker brown plastic.
- has smaller 'eye white' and paler blue pupil.


PAINT VARIATIONS:

Small Variations:

The Lili Ledy Chewie can be cast in different shades of brown plastic. See the pic belows. Though a bit difficult to see, the LL Chewie on the right is darker brown than the LL Chewie in the middle. Both LL Chewies are darker than their European COO brother.

Chewbacca COO #13: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (middle, right).


Chewbacca COO #13: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (middle, right).


ACCESSORIES

BOWCASTER:

The Ledy Chewie came with a V2 mould bowcaster. This mould was also used by Kenner. The Ledy bowcaster is cast in very black plastic which is distinct from the matt blue/black plastic that Kenner used.

COO guide for Zuckuss


NOTE: COO #3 is shared by Lili Ledy and Kenner
The Zuckuss sharing the same COO as the LL version, was supplied via "Made in China" baggies.

REMARK: There are two versions of Zuckuss lacking a Country of Origin and having big circles on the heels. One version came with a silver belt, the other with a grey belt. When making this entry for Zuckuss in November 2010 it was not 100% clear which figure was Ledy: silver, grey, both? To get some solid answers a discussion was started and I am very happy that many TIG members contributed to this active and fun discussion (on pages 10-16). Thanks to all the shared pieces of information, proposed theories and insights, we finally reached a point to wrap up and draw some conclusions.



COO #3


Zuckuss COO #3: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Zuckuss COO #3: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Zuckuss COO #3: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Zuckuss COO #3: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right). Note the differences in the colour of the nose: bright vs deep red.  


Zuckuss COO #3: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right). Note that both figures have big circles on the heels.    



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner ("Made in China" baggie) counterpart, the Lili Ledy Zuckuss has:  
- a gray instead of silver belt.
- a deep red instead of bright red nose tip.
- darker blue eyes.

REMARK: All other discussed differences, for instance subtle differences of the COO #3 and the presence or absence of dents, can not be exclusively linked to the Ledy version (see schemes below). This makes sense assuming (a copy of) the same steel mould was used.






ACCESSORIES

GUN

The Ledy Zuckuss gun has the V2 mould. This mould was also used by Kenner. The differences (if any) with the Ledy V2 gun are very hard to tell. In natural daylight the Ledy guns seem dull black, whereas the Kenner guns seem more grey black. It is a very subtle difference which is impossible to catch by camera.


NOTE: There appears to be two versions of the V2 mould (2A and 2B) that only slightly differ in the relative position of mould circles (or better ejector pin marks) on the gun. The two versions are not exclusively linked to Ledy, but were probably in use by Kenner as well. A summary of the in depth discussion on the different Zuckuss guns is given below (only if you really want to know, otherwise just skip )





SUMMARY:

• The V1 mould lacks circles no. 2 and 4.
  
• Both the V2 and V3 mould have four different mould circles (numbered with white figures 1,2,3,4 in the scheme below).
  
• The V2 mould has a complete circle no. 2 in contrast to the V3 mould where circle 2 is not fully round at the edge.
  
• The Ledy Zuckuss gun is based upon the V2 mould and not the V3 mould (note that the TIG guide refers to the V3 mould as being Ledy, so if the theory is correct there might be need for a small change).
  
• Kenner also issued a V2 gun. The differences (if any) with the Ledy V2 gun are very hard to tell. In natural daylight the Ledy guns seem dull black, whereas the Kenner guns seem more grey black. It is a very subtle difference which is impossible to catch by camera.
  
• The Ledy V2 gun (and probably also the Kenner V2 gun) came in two slightly different moulds (2A and 2B) differing in the relative positions of the circles 1 and 4 (see pic above).
  
  

REMARK: Circle no. 2 can be flat or protruded in the Ledy guns. See the pic above: The gun at the top has a flat circle no. 2, whereas the bottom gun has a protruding circle. However it seems that the mould does not determine whether this circle is flat or protruding. A flat circle no. 2 can for instance be found in both the V2A and V2B moulds (see pic below). Maybe this is also the case for a protruding circle no. 2.
EDIT Nov 2013: In fact these circles are called ejector pin marks. They mark the spots where the newly injected plastic part is pushed out of the steel mould by ejector pins. Depending on the used conditions and type of plastic, the depth of the ejector pin marks may vary in height.    

Ledy Zuckuss Rifles: V2A (top), V2B (bottom).
The differences between the moulds are best observed when looking at the relative position of circle 4. Note that circle 2 is flat in both moulds.



Maybe circle no. 2 got protruded sometimes by removing the freshly cast plastic gun out of its mould at a time point when the plastic was not yet hardened completely, so irrespective whether it was mould V2A or V2B. Maybe Ledy used plastics with a slightly different composition and/or applied process conditions rendering the plastic less rigid at the time point of removing the mould. This is just plain speculation off course but it would fit nicely with similar observations of small deformations on the COO of the Ledy Yoda and Gamorrean Guard.

Ledy Yoda. Note the warped .


Two Ledy Gamorrean Guards. Note the deformed on the right figure.

COO guide Nikto


NOTE: COO #1A/1B is shared by the Lili Ledy and Kenner Nikto.

COO #1A and COO #1B

The Nikto figure came with two slightly different COOs. They differ only in the relative positioning of ‘© L.F.L.’ on the leg:
-COO #1A:  ‘© L.F.L.’ shifted a bit upwards relative to #1B.
-COO #1B:  ‘© L.F.L.’ shifted a bit downwards relative to #1A.

These small COO differences do not indicate any consequent differences in paint schemes.

Nikto COO #1A: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Nikto COO #1A: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Nikto COO #1A: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Nikto COO #1A: Kenner (left), Lili Ledy (right).


Two Lili Ledy Nikto figures with slightly different COO: COO #1A (left), COO #1B (right). Picture made by Uli (Idefix13).



DIFFERENCES:
Compared to his Kenner counterpart, the Lili Ledy Nikto has:
- a lighter brown face and hands.
- a lighter grey chest armour and belt buckle.
- a jacket in a different more greenish blue.
- a darker grey helmet band
- creamier white arms.


ACCESSORIES

VIBROBLADE
The LL Nikto carries a vibroblade which has the same mould as the Kenner vibroblade but is cast in dark grey instead of light grey plastic.  

WARNING: VARIANTS TALK

The Lili Ledy Squid Head and Lando came with dark grey Bespin blasters.

On page 4 and 5 of this thread there is some discussion what moulds these grey guns had?

• V1 (version with the wide grip)?
  
• V5 (version with the big trigger hole)?
  
• Both?
  

V1 mould


V5 mould



Let's look at some evidence to get some answers....

1) AJ posted pics of two Lili Ledy MOCs a while ago (from Christian's collection).
From these pics, it is clear that Lando came with the V1 gun. Squid with the V5 gun.







2) John recently picked up a Lando MOC and provided these pictures to me. Thanks John.
This Lando was packed with a V5 instead of a V1 gun.










3) And Adolfo (Merlin) picked up a Lili Ledy Lando MOC which contained a black V1 gun.







So based upon this info, it is safe to conclude that:

• Lando came with a dark grey V1 or V5 gun, or a black V1 gun.
  
• Squid Head came with a dark grey V5 gun.

Remaining Questions:

• Did Lando also come with a blue V1 gun? MOC proof needed here!
  
• Did Squid Head also come with the dark grey V1 gun? Also here a picture of a MOC would proof it.
  

Need your input here, guys!

Great thread Marco - very thorough as always.

I'm not a big Lili Ledy collector but this thread has provided some very interesting reading.

I have a question about the Lili Ledy Chewbacca variants. How much rarer is the darker brown variant in comparison to the lighter brown variant? And what kind of price difference is there?

Hi Lili Ledy addicts,

Here goes my input again, I have write this very simple math equation probably like 2 or 3 times, but for some reason it seems very difficult as Nobody has give me any answer...

For the last years I've been collecting Lili Ledy 100% factory sealed MOC's, and as everybody knows it's almost impossible to find one, I've noticed that in this thread everything is based in today's existing LL MOC's, as I wrote before and here goes again my question...

Questions for everybody....
How many action figures do you think Lili Ledy Produced??
How many LL 100% Factory Sealed MOC's survived to our days?

Now based in a simple equation, the numbers don't even go close to the .2% mark, SORRY, but with those kind of numbers is very difficult to state something as granted or as the real and 100% true, I have even make mistakes until I understood this simple equation and I open my mind a little bit,..... LOL!!.

Here are some questions for you based in "common" LL knowledge....
How many of you have seen a LL 100%factory sealed Removable Rocket Boba Fett MOC???... ( Please NOT RESEAL or CUSTOM)
So how do you know it goes with black or blue blaster????... Is because everybody assumes that it was as the regular LL Fett?
Another question for the same topic, How many LL 100% factory sealed Boba Fett's MOC are out there???, which is the color of the blaster???....

Here goes another question based in the last one.... (Imagine that there is only one of it's kind)
I have a LL 100% AT-ST Factory sealed MOC, without emblems in the shoulders, so if we imagine that is the only one left, that will mean that all AT-ST that have emblems in their shoulders will be custom!!!.... LOL!!.. That's funny!!!

Marco, this one is for you..... When we were disscusing Lando ,( probably like 7 or 8 months ago) I send you my pics of my LL Lando MOC (100% Factroy Sealed), but Today you still say that it only came with the grey blaster with a possibility of a blue gun,I guess that you probably forget or even better, you want to start a discussion here.... ......LOL!!
Mine is not even grey or blue, but instead has a black bespin gun.. That means that if somebody has a Lando with a Black bespin gun is OK!!!

Hi Adolfo,

Thanks for your extended post. Much appreciated. I understand your point (at least I think I do ).

Maybe you can compare it with forecasts for democratic elections. By interviewing a defined number of voters beforehand the final results of the elections can be predicted pretty accurately, but never 100%. Question is how low can the number of interviewed voters be, to still have a reliable prediction? 1% of the total voters, 0.1%, 0.01%? I don't know, I am not a statistician. But it will depend on what you define as reliable (for instance 80%, 90%, 99% chance that the elections results are predicted correctly)

Back to Ledy and your post. A similar thing IMO. The question is how representative the small numbers of surviving Ledy MOCs are for the overall 'population' of MOCs that were once there.

Anyway, we just have to deal with the limited number of surviving MOCs and try to draw general conclusions from them. A complicated factor is Ledy's sloppy quality control, which might blur the general picture by having MOCs with wrongly packaged accessories.

@merlin wrote:

Marco, this one is for you..... When we were disscusing Lando ,( probably like 7 or 8 months ago) I send you my pics of my LL Lando MOC (100% Factroy Sealed), but Today you still say that it only came with the grey blaster with a possibility of a blue gun,I guess that you probably forget or even better, you want to start a discussion here.... ......LOL!!
Mine is not even grey or blue, but instead has a black bespin gun.. That means that if somebody has a Lando with a Black bespin gun is OK!!!

Second time this week, I realize I am getting old. I remember that Lando card with black gun now, it was also posted in the Latest Purchases thread, I belief. I was under the assumption it was a wrongly packaged gun at that time. Please post your pics here again, amigo!!