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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1 - Page 29 I_icon_minitimeFri Jan 27, 2012 11:42 pm

I was going to unpack a few dozen Chewies & then realised I probably wouldn't get a decent picture Embarassed
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This is the best I can do:
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euro on the left next to 3 LLs. The smaller eyes to me is more of a difference than the colour of his fur.
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Scott, StarWizz, and AJ. Thanks for posting those pics. To me all your Ledy Chewies look a shade darker than their Kenner counterparts. Still I haven't seen a very dark brown Chewie, I mean brown like dark chocolate.

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Oli: LOL, I wasn't aware you bought that figure from Sergio, thanks for telling. Yes please let us know what you think about the colour once you got it in your hands.

Adolfo: LOL you are turning this thread into a maths class. Very Happy.
You are right if there is no surviving Lando MOC with a blue gun known, there is no proof the blue gun came with Lando. So Lando came with a grey or black Bespin gun and I should change that in Lando’s entry, unless somebody opposes with good arguments.
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Here goes the LL carded Lando pics that I found so far!!
Will add more if I find more!
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What a great finding!!!!....LL Lando MOC with dark grey bespin gun !!... CONFIRMED!!
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@merlin wrote:

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Now based in a simple equation, the numbers don't even go close to the .2% mark, SORRY, but with those kind of numbers is very difficult to state something as granted or as the real and 100% true, I have even make mistakes until I understood this simple equation and I open my mind a little bit,..... LOL!!.



AMEN!!!

I mean we do barely share the same opinions but in this case we are totally on the same level!

(Besides I think its less then 2% that survived...LOL)

One Moc is no proof for nothing!

But talking about that 2 different grey molded blasters I finally think I am convinced! I could finally determine the differences in color and material to Kenner (thanks Ozio) and I am finally a believer!

(Well most people do know: I didnt believed in this other mold because the blacks and blues also do only have ONE mold! Its still very curious that only the grey balster has 2 molds.....two very different molds! My perosnal guess is that the second mold was aquired for producing larger numbers= MIM times. And thats why there is mostly grey ones with that mold...just a wild guess...though....)
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@wbobafett wrote:
@merlin wrote:

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Now based in a simple equation, the numbers don't even go close to the .2% mark, SORRY, but with those kind of numbers is very difficult to state something as granted or as the real and 100% true, I have even make mistakes until I understood this simple equation and I open my mind a little bit,..... LOL!!.



AMEN!!!

I mean we do barely share the same opinions but in this case we are totally on the same level!

(Besides I think its less then 2% that survived...LOL)

One Moc is no proof for nothing!

LOL... Good that we only agree on only one thing, as I've been trying to explain this point for a very long time...
You are also right about the %, is less than 2% , as I STATED before and as you quote me, the excel equations after all the math (with aporximate numbers) , give me .2% (NOT 2%). If we use Lando as an example, that will be not even the 0.05% that survied to our days,

I have a question for you??? I don't understand you or it was a joke????, because first you say you need proof, and now for you one MOC is no proof for nothing??, Then How many will you be needing now???, for example , I only find this ones for Lando, by the way , none of them have the BLUE Bespin Blasters!!!

If anybody knows another member or non-member that owns a LL Lando C. Carded Pls feel free to post the pic (no-reseal or re-carded), as I guess we are going to need more!!

There was another Lando in Ebay like 6 months ago, I will try to get that pic as the seller send a lot of pics to a friend of mind to verify it was the real thing!
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PostSubject: Re: THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1   THE LILI LEDY GUIDE & DISCUSSION THREAD PART 1 - Page 29 I_icon_minitimeTue Jan 31, 2012 8:03 pm


Lili Ledy Lando MOC 100%Factory sealed pics updated.

Dark grey Bespin gun founded !!

So far we have the following colors of the bespin gun :
Light Grey
Dark Grey
Black

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Hi Adolfo,

Thanks for uploading the Lando MOC pics! Great work to unravel the truth. cheers

You mention a dark and light grey Bespin gun. That's the V1 and V5 gun, respectively?


V1 mould

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V5 mould

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Anybody has a pic of another Lando MOC?



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it's a bit hard to tell: but I just got the blaster closest to us & it is a very dark grey not a true black, both have the 'L' , has anyone noticed this slight colour difference? (it's probably just a plastic mix error)
I was also happy to pick up the other CCP 'version' as well Very Happy
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Hey Adolfo, nice work those Lando's pictures are great cheers

IMO for LL Bespin Lando you can have:
V1 moul cast on grey or black and V5 mould on grey.

James I've never seen that color on that type of gun, very interesting.

I want to share some info about the LL Rancor:

Same dark brown plastic tone on all parts, hands, legs, jaw and body, sometimes teeth have glossy paint, on the LL Rancor there's a very noticeable 'glue line' with a yellow tone that runs from tail to nose and between the arms and legs.
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There's a MIM Rancor sold in USA, made by LL and packed on Kenner's boxes I don't think there's a big difference betwen them and if there is I haven't found it yet.
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The glue line that runs from tail to nose is very noticeable, look closely and you can see the yellow color of the glue:
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Not LL Rancor: Hands, (Jaw in some cases) are made of a clearer brown plastic. glue line is not noticeable:
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Not LL Rancor: Hands, (Jaw in some cases) are made of a clearer brown plastic. glue line is not noticeable:
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Not LL Rancor: Hands, (Jaw in some cases) are made of a clearer brown plastic. glue line is not noticeable:
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Not LL Rancor: Hands, (Jaw in some cases) are made of a clearer brown plastic. glue line is not noticeable:
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Not LL Rancor: Glue line it's not noticeable:
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Ozio, as always very informative Ledy info !! Very Happy

There was a recent thread discussing the Mexican origin of Rancors in some Kenner and Trilogo boxes.

https://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t3345-mim-rancor-mib-value-pics-added?highlight=rancor

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I can confirm there's 3 trilogo versions of the Rancor;

- Made in Mexico (printed on box)
https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img600/4613/070sy.jpg

- Made in England sticker on MIM mention
http://80stoyshop.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=387

- Made in England (printed on box)
http://theswca.com/images-forei/trilogo-rancor-1.jpg







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Thanks for the links Marco, It seems that there are a lot of LL and MIM Rancors around, so probably the lighter hands and glue marks could be plastic degradation? still, all the LL Rancors I've had through the years have these characteristics, even so the one on the video... :scratch:

I can add is:
There are two type of Rancors, maybe all of them where made by LL, I don't know but still, the differences are very clear:

-Lighter brown plastic tone on hands and jaw vs the same plastic tone all over.
-Glue line on body, arms and legs it's very noticiable and almost yellow vs glue not noticiable.
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@OZIO wrote:
Thanks for the links Marco, It seems that there are a lot of LL and MIM Rancors around, so probably the lighter hands and glue marks could be plastic degradation? still, all the LL Rancors I've had through the years have these characteristics, even so the one on the video... :scratch:

I can add is:
There are two type of Rancors, maybe all of them where made by LL, I don't know but still, the differences are very clear:

-Lighter brown plastic tone on hands and jaw vs the same plastic tone all over.
-Glue line on body, arms and legs it's very noticiable and almost yellow vs glue not noticiable.

As always great Info from Horacio (Ozio) , which box do you have??? , the LL or MIM??
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@merlin wrote:
@OZIO wrote:
Thanks for the links Marco, It seems that there are a lot of LL and MIM Rancors around, so probably the lighter hands and glue marks could be plastic degradation? still, all the LL Rancors I've had through the years have these characteristics, even so the one on the video... :scratch:

I can add is:
There are two type of Rancors, maybe all of them where made by LL, I don't know but still, the differences are very clear:

-Lighter brown plastic tone on hands and jaw vs the same plastic tone all over.
-Glue line on body, arms and legs it's very noticiable and almost yellow vs glue not noticiable.

As always great Info from Horacio (Ozio) , which box do you have??? , the LL or MIM??

Hey Merlin, thanks buddy.
Used to have... I don't have them anymore Sad when I was collecting I had 1 LL Rancor with box and 1 with Kenner box, I remember I spent many hours trying to find differences between them without any luck... Now I know why.
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thanks
i have a question, for the coo it's kenner coo or an other coo?
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[QUOTE=Bill_McBride;18714645] Just from my loose reference collection, there are 3 different LL Vaders, two of which match up to MOC examples (LL's, not MiM)


Bill[/QUOTE]

I had no idea about this :scratch:





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I had no idea about the different LL Vaders.

Did he mean small paint variations? :scratch:
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I had no idea about the different LL Vaders.

Did he mean small paint variations? :scratch:


3? That sounds interesting... study or probably mold differences?...

I only know about 2 type of LL Vaders, No COO and HK COO, both look all the same, the main difference between them is the Coo, and that LL HK vader has a thinner cape, please take a look:

LL HK Vaders front and back:
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LL Vader No Coo front and back:
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LL Darth Vader capes:
Two type of capes for LL Darth Vader. Capes on the left are thicker (No COO), Capes on the right are Thinner (HK COO). Both type of capes have on glossy side and one dull side. No crosslinked grid on any side:
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Both type of capes have the same size:
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Great info, Ozio!!

The HK and no COO Ledy Vader seem to be from the same COO family, so it makes sense that they share the same mould.

Do you think the HK Vader was released on the Imperio Contraataca card?

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Great info, Ozio!!

The HK and no COO Ledy Vader seem to be from the same COO family, so it makes sense that they share the same mould.

Do you think the HK Vader was released on the Imperio Contraataca card?


Hey Marco,
Yes, it is possible but I don't know for sure :scratch: The No COO Vader in my experience can be found in much larger numbers against the HK vader, still HK Vader is not as hard to find as a LL 1978 R2D2 or a LL Blond Leia Bespin so, it could be but I still don't know.

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Great stuff!

So it's hard for my untrained eye to see the differences between the No COO and the Hong Kong COO versions. What are the differences to look for? (Obviously besides the COO and cape) Is there paint or mould differences that I'm missing?
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@OZIO wrote:
or a LL Blond Leia Bespin

:scratch: I hope you mean Luke ?
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@OZIO wrote:
or a LL Blond Leia Bespin

:scratch: I hope you mean Luke ?

I'm sure Ozio means the light brown (blond) Leia Bespin variant with Hong Kong COO, which was probably only released on the Imperio Contraataca cards.

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@DarthTad wrote:
Great stuff!

So it's hard for my untrained eye to see the differences between the No COO and the Hong Kong COO versions. What are the differences to look for? (Obviously besides the COO and cape) Is there paint or mould differences that I'm missing?

Hi DarthTad,
Thats exactly what I was tryinig to show, that I can't find no differences between them but the Coo's Wink


@aussiejames wrote:
@OZIO wrote:
or a LL Blond Leia Bespin

:scratch: I hope you mean Luke ?


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@aussiejames wrote:
@OZIO wrote:
or a LL Blond Leia Bespin

:scratch: I hope you mean Luke ?

I'm sure Ozio means the light brown (blond) Leia Bespin variant with Hong Kong COO, which was probably only released on the Imperio Contraataca cards.



Hi, yes I mean the LL Light Brown (blond) Leia Bespin with HK COO, I will ad some pictures and info of her asap.
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I have just finished updating the Emperor's entry. I think it was long due.

Emperor

Please tell me what you think about:
- the existence of COO #2/#3 for the Ledy Emperor
- the worn COO#4

I summarized these issues below for you (directly taken from the Emperor's entry)

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COO guide for The Emperor
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NOTE: COO #2, #3, and #4 differ only in very subtle ways with respect to the exact position of the symbols in “© LFL 1984”. They therefore belong to the same COO family and do not indicate any mould differences. All Lili Ledy Emperors in my collection have COO #4 (‘’©” is at the same level as “LFL”).
Maybe Lili Ledy also used the steelmoulds for COO #2 (no space between “©” and “L”) and COO #3 (“©” is upshifted relative to “LFL”) So in case you have a Ledy Emperor with COO #2 or #3, please post pics in this thread.


Lili Ledy Emperors with COO #4 (same two figures as in the pictures shown above).
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The COO #4 on the Ledy Emperor looks a bit worn with less details. For instance the ‘©’ is more like a big dot and you can hardly recognize the “c” anymore. Similar worn or weathered moulds have also been observed for the Lili Ledy Yoda and Gamorrean Guard. It might indicate that Lili Ledy used old steel moulds which were used for full scale production in the Far East before. It might also be an artifact during casting of the figures due to different processing conditions and/or a different composition of the plastics used by Lili Ledy.

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I also updated Klaatu Skiff's entry.

Klaatu Skiff

I'm wondering what is the difference between COO #1 and #2.

Wolff?


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COO guide for Klaatu Skiff Guard
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NOTE: COO #1 and #2 differ only in very subtle ways with respect to the exact position of the symbols in “©️ L.F.L. 1983”. To be honest the differences are that subtle, I don’t even see them Very Happy. Wolff? Anyway, clearly these COOs belong to the same COO family and do not indicate any mould differences.
IMPORTANT: The Lili Ledy Klaatu Skiff Guard appears with COO #2 (and COO #1), which were both used by Kenner as well.

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