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PostSubject: Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy?   Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 06, 2011 11:51 am

I need your opinion on the two Luke Bespin figures below.

Both have a COO matching Lili Ledy / PBP figures. The main differences between both figures are the eyes and the colour of the boots.

I checked this old Luke Bespin discussion, but still it is not clear to me.

Are we looking at two Ledy variants here?



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:bump:

Hey guys, any ideas about the two Luke Bespin figures?
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy?   Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 13, 2011 2:09 pm

Both of your Luke Bespin figures look LL to me. I checked my figures and I also have two with slight different boot colours. One of these I got from Spain.

Hope this helps.

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PostSubject: Re: Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy?   Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 13, 2011 2:13 pm

Im not sure about the left one...the material from the legs seems wrong. Coo must look as glossy and smooth like the right one IMO!

But otherwise the haircolor from the left one would be wrong for a no coo...difficult to say....

Also both wide sprayed sabers tell: Ledy.

The right one is for 100%
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy?   Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 13, 2011 2:15 pm

as longer as i watch...I give the left one a no!

PBP and Ledy are the same btw!...like Uli said!
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy?   Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 13, 2011 2:16 pm

Hm... so Marco where did you get the two from? Spain, Mexico or an European ebay seller with location in UK or so?

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Wolff - imo the face of the right figure is not fat enough for the China version - or? What else could it be then?
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy?   Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 13, 2011 2:59 pm

the right is a ledy one fro me Uli. The left i dont trust to be a ledy!

I have 2 different no coo rasied bar lukes (non ledy)...check my pics I once sent ya Wink (the fat face and ugly one is china baggie, the other I dont know anymore....Ill check)

The hair color should be more reddish on a non ledy one...but on the other hand the material from the legs seems to be total wrong on the left on for a ledy version!



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There are only two made in raised bar versions in the sheet you sent me... I thought one is for the China figure and the other for the Ledy...
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy?   Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 13, 2011 3:39 pm


Hey Wolff and Ueli,

Thanks for your input, interesting stuff!

The left one was sold as Ledy from a trusted UK seller

The right one was obtained from a Mexican seller.



I didn't know the wide sprayed saber is a Ledy trait, learned something new today. Very Happy

And I understood there are two Lukes having this COO with raised bar. A Ledy and China baggie version.

You have a pic of the China baggie version?

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Del has a picture of a China baggied Luke in his FS thread Marco - check it out.

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PostSubject: Re: Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy?   Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 13, 2011 3:56 pm

Im confused......

Indeed there is 3 different no coo raised bar versions with brown hair (plus a blond one).

So one Ledy, one china baggie and the third one is also a baggie version...cannot find the pic anymore...need some extar time!

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PostSubject: Re: Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy?   Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? I_icon_minitimeSun Aug 14, 2011 2:31 pm

Can you guys help me out with this Bespin Luke from my collection please? I've always assumed it was Ledy because of the COO stamp, however the one thing that has made me doubt it is the thin spray on the lightsaber hilt, which I'd always noticed seemed to be wider on ledy figures in the pictures I'd seen. Reading this thread has made me doubt it even more.
See what you think guys:

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Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? Dscn9112
Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? Dscn9113

If this isn't a Ledy, then have you guys got any idea where it came from, any information would help greatly with my Bespin Luke research.
Thanks in advance! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy?   Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 29, 2011 6:07 am

Below are comparison shots of four Luke Bespins all having a raised bar COO (either COO no. 7 or 8 in Wolf’s guide). From left to right:
A) COO no. 8. Thin sprayed saber, orange brown hair, more pinkish face, thin eyebrows and eyes, greenish brown boots
B) COO no. 7. Thick sprayed saber, mustard brown hair, paler face, thin eyebrows and eyes, darker brown boots
C) COO no. 8. Thick sprayed saber, mustard brown hair, paler face, thin eyebrows and eyes, lighter brown boots
D) COO no. 7. Thick sprayed saber, mustard brown hair, paler face, thicker eyebrows and eyes, lighter brown boots

BTW:
Figure B is the left figure in the first post of this thread
Figure D is the right figure in the first post of this thread.

Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? IMG_5185

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Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? Luke_b14

Now let's have a close look at the COOs, the figures either have COO no. 7 or 8:

COO Figure A: bar slightly past the crease = COO no. 8
Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? IMG_5194

COO Figure B: bar stops at the crease = COO no. 7
Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? IMG_5195

COO Figure C: bar slightly past the crease = COO no. 8
Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? IMG_5196

COO Figure D: bar stops at the crease = COO no. 7
Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? IMG_5197


The common thing about B,C, and D is the mustard brown hair and the thicker sprayed saber. Let's presume these three figures are all Ledy. Not unlikely, as they were obtained from Mexican sellers or Ledy collectors (off course that is not a guarantee).
The small paint differences between them (the colour of the boots and the thickness of the eyes and eyebrows) might in that case be small variations within the Ledy Luke Bespin line. Most importantly - if all these figure are Ledy - it would mean that both COO no. 7 as well as COO no. 8 can be found for Ledy figures.

Figure A looks clearly different compared to the other three figures. The hair is more like a orange brown, the face is more pinkish, and the boots are more like a greenish brown. The figure was bought via ebay and IMO looks the same as General Kahn posted before, except this figure has COO no. 8 instead of 7. Is this a the figure which came in the “Made in China” baggies?

In summary, my provisional conclusion:
A: Non Ledy figure. From a Made in China baggie?
B, C, D: Ledy figures.

I like to know what you think guys.

EDIT: added some close ups of the COOs and changed the text accordingly.




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Left one is Ledy, COO number 7, right is China Baggie? with COO 8
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy?   Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 29, 2011 10:07 am

I was lead to believe the coo bar should come slightly past the crease on the trouser for a Ledy, where as the China baggie stops at the crease.
It's a very very small difference but noticeable in the A B C D pics.
Still a very steep learning curve for me, so tell me if I'm wrong. :scratch:
It might mean my China baggies are Ledy's as well! Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy?   Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 29, 2011 11:09 am

@GoHoofy wrote:
I was lead to believe the coo bar should come slightly past the crease on the trouser for a Ledy, where as the China baggie stops at the crease.
It's a very very small difference but noticeable in the A B C D pics.
Still a very steep learning curve for me, so tell me if I'm wrong. :scratch:
It might mean my China baggies are Ledy's as well! Laughing

Good point Karl!

I have to admit, that I always have difficulties to spot the differences between the two blank bar COOs (COO no.7 and 8 ). So I made some close up pics, to sharpen out the differences. I put the pics in my previous post.

If it is the case that Ledy is exclusively connected to COO no. 8 (with the COO bar slightly passing the crease), only figure C would be Ledy. (Figure A also has COO no. 8 but has a different paint scheme so I don't regard this figure Ledy anyway).

Some more input is required here. unsure



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@GoHoofy wrote:
I was lead to believe the coo bar should come slightly past the crease on the trouser for a Ledy, where as the China baggie stops at the crease.

That is wrong!!!! Old information...not up to date anymore. Both coos can appear on both figures!

Second: There is three different brown hair Lukes with raised bar! LL, China 1 and china2!
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Its as simple as that:

You search a Ledy character?? Does this character also appear on MIM cards?? If the answer is NO, then he has no unique coo! There is ALWAYS a Kenner pendant on all only on Ledy card appeared Ledy figures...ALWAYS!!! You can search till you die to spot differences...there is none, there will always be a pendant!

All stuff written on those coo differences in the web is wrong! Because they just hadnt the correct Kenner pendant at hand!
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PostSubject: Re: Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy?   Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? I_icon_minitimeSat Oct 29, 2011 11:18 am

Thanks Wolff for chiming in.

@wbobafett wrote:


That is wrong!!!! Old information...not up to date anymore. Both coos can appear on both figures!


OK, so both COO no. 7 and 8 can be Ledy (as well as Made in China version).

@wbobafett wrote:


Second: There is three different brown hair Lukes with raised bar! LL, China 1 and china2!

So what would be your guess?
A =
B =
C =
D =
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@wbobafett wrote:
Its as simple as that:

You search a Ledy character?? Does this character also appear on MIM cards?? If the answer is NO, then he has no unique coo! There is ALWAYS a Kenner pendant on all only on Ledy card appeared Ledy figures...ALWAYS!!! You can search till you die to spot differences...there is none, there will always be a pendant!

All stuff written on those coo differences in the web is wrong! Because they just hadnt the correct Kenner pendant at hand!

I totally agree. Very Happy

This confusion about unique Ledy COOs was my main motivation to start the Lili Ledy thread in the first place and to have side by side pics of Ledy figures with Kenner figures sharing the same COO. In the end it is all about paint differences.

Well except for the MIM figures off course which have their unique COOs and mould differences (besides paint differences).
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I have plenty of those!! ...

Will upload the pic later on!!!!

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@Dr Dengar wrote:


So what would be your guess?
A =
B =
C =
D =

A= 100% NOT Ledy...china1
B,C and D should be Ledy! Still not 100% sure about B...

Check the eyebrows....Ledy is TRUE black!! Compred to the china one you should see its only drakbrown on those!
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Hi guy's Here are three China baggie figures from my collection:
Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? Bespin21Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? Bespin22Luke Bespin no COO Raised Bar: Lili Ledy? Bespin23

Both raised bar COO's are present here ( over the crease / stopped by it )

Couple of things here, the second one down has 'dark boots' and this is the only time I have ever seen this on this figure, any one else seen or got one of these?
Secondly,now I know I've asked this a quad-zillion times before, but does anyone have any idea how you would have got your hands on a 'Made in China" baggie Bespin Luke back in the day. This is the one question that my research continually fails to answer!
A few things toi take in to concideration first. Bespin Luke was never available in a set or from a mail away, in the U.S he could be aquired in a baggie in a couple of special offers and a handful of catalogue multipacks.
1. According to the The Star Wars Collectors Archive's comprehensive guide to baggies, the made in China baggie matches only with a ROTJ g baggie which is to late for Bespin Luke, no Bespin Lukes where available past the ESB run. This guide only refers to U.S baggies though and no Foreign ones.
2. Everything about the figure points to it's origins being in Europe anyway. the fact the COO is not present, the fact the baggie doesn't match up to a U.S. baggie for the figure, the fact that the vast majority of these figure feature the large hilt lightsaber, which is generally regarded as being unique to Europe.
3. The dark boots version shown above, this colour of boot is a Europe thing also.

So how did you get one????? Was there any European chainstore catalogue offers, mail aways or anything? Please help.

Should also mention, during my research I have seen the 'Made in China' figure packed on Palitoy cards, usually the ROTJ / Tri hybrid cards.
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Please make some details from the drak boots...I have a bad feeling! His hands are 100% overpainted! Sad...that doesnt look good at all! I can also spot touch ups in the black areas!


Well in general there is even two head molds in the same china baggie! Both with both bars too!

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