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The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread
 
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Artwork by General Kahn
 
An Introduction to Mould Families & Sculpt Difference
 
This is a project I've been slowly putting together for a while, it's a guide that is aimed at helping people identify the different mould families by the sculpt differences that they have. This is currently a 'work in progress' and the guide section will be added to over time.

The Country of Origin (COO) families represent different moulds used to make the figures, in the majority of cases each individual family has a unique sculpt. This is NOT an exact science that runs from start to finish though.
It would appear that the first figures, at least the first 12 don't really comply to the 'rule' there COO families range in numbers from a few to lots and in many cases there appears to be no real sculpt differences, or very subtle at best.
The second wave of 8 figures starts to show signs of family sculpt differences taking shape, but still usually quite subtle up until the later half where a kind of system seems to develop where the COO families have notable sculpt differences.
Boba Fett ultimately kind of sets the standard of 3 familes, 3 sculpts. The entire ESB line sticks pretty close to this with most figures having 2 or 3 families. Usually each family has 2 or 3 molds within it.
(Note - when I say 3 or 4 moulds, it is most likely that these where not seperate, but 3 or 4 cavities within one mould block, it's just easier to say it like that)

Naturally there are exceptions to this 'rule' but it works pretty well for ESB and most of the ROTJ line.
Toward the end of the ROTJ line the 'rule' changed with many figures ultimately having only one family, which in many cases have 3 or 4 moulds.

One trend that seems to have been part of this rule is that in many cases for example when there is 3 families, one will be notably different while the other two will be basically exactly the same but one of the two will have less defined detail. I'm not show what the reason for this is.

The purpose of this guide is to help identify the figures by there sculpts and to make it easier for people to understand the concept of COO families which are the basis of all variants.
The guide is aimed at being simple and easy to use and very visual to try and cut down on the text which can often confuse people, especially as we are an international comunity and much is often lost in translation.

To make things even less confusing, I've kept the COO families in the same order as Wolff's guide, so family 'I' in my guide will subsequently match family 'I' in Wolff's guide. I have done many figures which Wolff has not covered in his new guide yet, so here I have stuck roughly to his old guide.
 
For people who are unfamiliar with COO families, Wolff's Country of Origin Stamp introduction and guide is a fantastic resource which can be found on his site here
 
How to use the Guide
 
The aim of this guide is to be visual and simple. Rather than point out every tiny difference I've tried to focus on the obvious and easy to spot differences. The first picture for each character shows all the different families with there COO below. These are listed with a numeral (I. II. III.) this is relevant to the COO. The following pictures then focus on specific areas of the figure, these pictures are doubled, the top section shows are clear image of the area in question, the lower section shows the same image but with the sculpt differences highlighted in an orange box. There is then a brief desription below which explains the highlighted areas.

The discussion area of this thread is for you all to throw in your thoughts, break down all the tiny details and just to generally discuss the topic, I'll look forward to your input  Very Happy
 
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SW Character Guide

ESB Character Guide

ROTJ Character Guide


POTF & Other Characters Guide

 
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Acknowledgements
 
I would like to thank the TIG team for helping me set up this thread, a big thanks to Wolff for introducing me to the concept of Mould families and also thanks to the people who will hopefully help contribute to this project. A Big thanks to Jay and Marco also for helping me with the technical side of things like Hyperlinks and stuff  Very Happy
 
I hope you enjoy this thread


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Luke Skywalker
 
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The sculpt differences on Luke like many early figures are pretty much none existant, however, there is a unique difference on his hand/lightsaber hilt which unfortunately is difficult to see on carded figures etc.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_15
 
I. Finger overlaps saber hilt - II. Saber hilt overlaps finger - III. Finger & saber hilt are level - IV. Extra long saber hilt
 




Chewbacca

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The first 12 figures where not produced in the same way as most of the figures that followed, at least in terms of sculpt differences for the COO families. Many had numerous families that all look almost, if not identical. Chewbacca is one such example, the overall torso sculpt appears identical on all families. There is one minor detail on the end of the left hand however that does appear different on all families, it is not the best means of identification by far, but it's about as good as it gets unfortunately.

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The main focus is around the longest fingure, each one is different, some are a like, but they are all different.





Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi

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As with Chewbacca, Ben Kenobi falls into the first 12 which, as said before are difficult to establish as different. Ben however falls into a slightly different catagory of first 12 where at least one other character falls into. This is where there are three families, two of which are seemingly identical and the other is slightly different. This is often the case in many of the ESB figures, but with them, the two that are alike are usually easily identified by one having less defined detail, this is not the case here. The other SW character that falls into this catagory is Han Solo. With Ben the best way to identify the two sculpts that are the same is by a small imperfection on the back of the heals of one of the families, which sometimes can be visible beneath the cape.

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The crescent shaped crease above the left boot is the focal point, I & III are the same, II is notably different.

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What appears to be the only real difference between I & III is a small ridge that runs around the bottom of the right boot on III which is not present on I. All example that I have of I & III are like this. There is also a more defined ridge found on II.



 

Hammerhead
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_16
 
Hammerhead has one real difference between his two familes, one has smooth skin, the other has textured skin.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_17
 
I. Textured skin - II. Smooth skin
 
 
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I. Textured skin - II. Smooth skin
 




Walrus Man

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_51

Walrus Man has several easy to spot differences between the two families, the best at least from the front are two crease on the right leg.

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I. Rounded crease with groove at the top - II. Flat crease with a rounded one above it

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I. Top most crease is well defined and rounded - II. Top most crease is non defined and flat



 

Luke Skywalker - X-Wing Fighter Pilot
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_19
 
The easiest to spot differences are on the white 'flak' jacket are on the front and back of Luke. The patterns are different, the vertical line patterns are quite different from each other.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_20
 
I. More vertical lines - II. Less vertical lines
 
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I. 1 horizontal bar at the top - II. 2 horizontal bars at the top
 


 

R5-D4 (Arfive-Defour)
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_22
 
R5-D4 has several easy to spot key differences between the two families. The heads are actually different in size, but this is hard to see even in hand, so impossible to tell when seperate.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_23
 
I. Small eyes - II. Large eyes
 
I. No lip on shoulder - II. Raised lip on shoulder
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_24
 
I. Pointed top of head - II. Rounded top of head
 
The second area, points to small lines that extend from the seperating mold lines that create the squares, these are present on 'I' but not on 'II'
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_25
 
I. smaller semi circle - II. larger semi circle
 
Note - The legs on 'I' are also shorter than on 'II' making the second figure taller
 


 

Death Star Droid
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_36
 
The sculpt differences on the Death Star Droid ar subtle but quite easy to spot. Because of the chroming, it can sometimes be difficult to clearly see detail, but generally speaking the subtle differences stand out.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_37
 
I. Small circle with nipple - II. Large circle without nipple
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_38
 
I. Small rectangle, no dots - II. Large rectangle with dots
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_39
 
I. Small rectangle with dots - II. Large rectangle with dots
 


 

Power Droid
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_26
 
Power Droid is essentiually really easy to spot, but given that he is often displayed from the front, it can still be quite awkard to identify the two families, from all over angles though the differences are easy to spot.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_27
 
I. Shallow groves - II. Deep groves
 
I. Long 'V' - II. Short 'V'
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_28
 
I. Round at the top - II. Angled on the inner side, rounded on the outer
 
I. Wide groves - II. Thin grooves
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_29
 
I. large 'triangle' wire - II. Small triangle wire
 
I. Large lump - II. Small lump
 


 

Boba Fett
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_30
 
Identifying Boba Fett families is easy done by other variation factors, but the sculpt differences are still easy to spot.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_32
 
I. Top visor Rim - II. Top visor rim - III. No top visor rim
 
I. Medium deep grove - II. Shallow grove - III. Deep grove
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_33
 
Awkward to explain, but clearly visible in the picture, the small detail in the center of the helmet side is notably different on each sculpt.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_34
 
I. Small hole - II. Large hole - III. Large filled in hole
 
I. Faint boot lines - II. More defined boot lines - Very large boot lines


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Leia Organa - Bespin Gown
 
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Leia Bespin is an awkward one in some respects as she is one of only a couple of figures that actually had a major sculpt change along the way. This of course is the neck. The original neck (crew neck or flesh neck) was changed at some stage in production (Jay will probably be able to tell you when  Smile  ) The mold was retooled to produce a smaller neck which was not painted (turtle neck) The reason for this is un clear, but to me there is likely two reasons, the neck was probably changed because the original neck is not only way to fat, it's also to long giving Leia a rather odd, fat Giraffe neck. The new 'thinner' turtle neck is much better looking, but was left unpainted. Tis was probably because of the problems created by the flesh paint and gold paint on the original sculpt. Every family mould was re-tooled so can be found with both crew and turtle neck. I find the easiest way to identify the families is on the arms.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_17
 
I. Well defined creases - II. Non defined creases - III. Diffeent creases (not as many)
 
I. Small thumb, defined finger - II. Small thumb, less defined fingers - III. large wide thumb, defined fingers
 


 
FX-7 (Medical Droid)
 
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The differences for FX-7 are easy to spot, as with many, one sculpt is totally different and the other two are similar.
 
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I. Only 1 black area - II. 3 black areas overlapping the tapered section - III. 3 black areas that don't overlap the tapered area
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_43
 
I. 3 small black areas - II. 3 large black areas over lapping the tapered section - III. 3 large black areas that don't overlap the tapered area
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_44
 
It's not to easy to explain, but all 3 'grabbers' are different, one the the main differences is how open the hand is, although I. and III. are very similar, the best way to identify the differences between I. and III. is the base which attaches to the body, I. has a gap and III. doesn't.
 
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This is a good way to identify difference between I. and III. if other factors are difficult to see, the arms on III are notably thinner than the others
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_46
 
I. the gap between the black bars are smooth - II. The gap between the black bars is squared off - III. The gap between the black bars raised and continue to the top
 


 

Imperial Stormtrooper - Hoth Battle Gear
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_18
 
The Hoth Stormtrooper like most has two moulds very a like and one slightly different. There are a couple of slightly different sculpt points on the figure but because of the spray aps. applied to those areas it make it difficult to tell the difference in some many cases, the visor and the two small depressions on his right side torso are good examples of this, different but often hard to tell because of the paint (uni-visor vs. split visor for example). Probably the best way to spot the family differences is to combine sculpt and spray differences with the circle on his belt and the 2 line spray applications on his shoulder.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_19
 
I. Bold paint line that goes behind the arm, belt circle with no outer ring - II. Thin paint line that doesn't go behind the arm, belt circle with no outer ring - III. Bold paint line that goes behind the arm, belt circle with an outer ring
 


 

Rebel Soldier - Hoth Battle Gear
 
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The differences on the Hoth Rebel Soldier are subtle but they are still there and if you know what you are looking for they are fairly easy to spot, again, 2 are similar and one slightly different.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_11
 
The neck scarves on I. and II. are very similar, but there is an extra fold on the top part of III.
 
I. Thin and flate vertical strip - II. Thin and more rounded vertical strip - III. Fat and flat vertical strip
 
I. Fat middle bar - II. thin middle bar - III. 3 bars are raised above the top part
 
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I. Open hand - II. Open hand - III. Closed hand
 
I. Flatter strips, open bottom - II. More rounded strips, open bottom - III. Closed bottom
 


 

Boskk (Bounty Hunter)
 
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Bossk is very much like the Hoth Stormtrooper, two almost identical sculpts, one different one, but thankfully a handy spray aplication, again on the shoulder that helps identify the different families. The feet are a good focal point as well.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_21
 
I. Both shoulder bands painted - II. Shoulder band painted - III. One shoulder band painted
 
I. Thick line in middle of buckle - II. Thin line in middle of buckle - III. Thick line in middle of buckle
 
I. Square off pattern on right knee, large circle on left knee - II. Rounded off pattern on right knee, small circle on left knee - III. Square off pattern on right knee, large circle on left knee
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_22
 
I. Fat, round, large toes - II. Thin, round, small toes - III. Fat, pointed, flat toes
 


 

IG-88 (Bounty Hunter)
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_51
 
IG-88 has several notable sculpt differences, which again follow the theme of 2 being similar one different.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_52
 
I. Small dimbles with vertical lines - II. Larger dimples with no lines - III. very faint dimples with no vertical lines
 
I. Hollow eyes - II. Solid eyes - III. Solid eyes
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_53
 
I. No circle - II. Circle with small nipple - III. Circle with larger nipple
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_54
 
I. No lumps on squares - II. Small lumps on squares - III. Large lumps on squares
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_55
 
I. Pipe on leg - II. No pipe on leg - III. No pipe on leg
 
I. Small gap between tubes - II. No gap between tubes - Large gap between tubes
 


 

Luke Skywalker - Bespin Fatigues
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_56
 
Bespin Luke has two sculpts which are very much alike and one different one. The two that are similar are like many of the figures that seem to follow this rule, the main differences seems to be the definition of the detail.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_57
 
I. Angled crease - II. Straight crease - III. Straight crease
 
The pocket tope have a strip across them, these are different, I. is fatter and flat, II. and III. are very similare but the detail defination of II. is much clearer
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_58
 
I. Buckle is more angled, large loop, angled edges - II. Buckle is more horizontal, small loop, angled edges - III. Buckle is more horizontal, small loop, rounded edges
 
The small box show the edge at the top of the leg, I. is rounded right down to the saber hilt, II. and III. are not but each has a different size edge where the rounded leg top ends. II. has a small sraight edge, III. has a large straight edge
 
I. Fat saber hilt - II. Thin saber hilt - III. Thin saber hilt
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_59
 
I. Small pocket - II. Large pocket - III. Large pocket
 
I. Botton on pocket - II. No button on pocket - III. No button on pocket
 
The holster clasp on I. is thinner and more angled, on II. and III. it  sticks out more and is more rounded
 


 

Han Solo - Hoth Outfit
 
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Han Hoth has some easy to spot differences seperating all the families.
 
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I. has a raised lip at the back - II. No raised lip - III. No raised lip
 
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I. 3 folds in the center scarf knot - II. 2 folds in the center scarf knot - III. Very different detailed scarf knot
 
The emblem is also different in size on all 3
 
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I. Open hand - II. Closed hand - III. Closed hand
 
I. No crease on bottom half of pocket - II. Crease on bottom half of pocket - III. 3 sections to pocket top
 
The buckle on I. and II. are very similar. III. is a different shape
 


 

Lando Calrissian
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_23
 
Lando has a nice easy to spot the difference between all three families with his belt buckle.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_25
 
I. Central line through diamonds, wide bottom to trapezoid buckle II. No central line through diamonds, thin bottom to trapezoid buckle - III. Central ine through diamonds, thin bottom to trapezoid buckle
 


 

Bespin Security Guard (White)
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_26
 
Although by no means perfect, probably the best way to identify the three family for the Bespin Security Guard is by his right thumb.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_27
 
I. Slightly curved thumb - II. Long, bulbose curved thumb - III. Straight thumb
 


 

Yoda
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_68
 
Yoda, like many figures poses a problem, as he is largely covered by a cape making it hard to identify differences, so the feet are probably the best place to look.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_69
 
The collar area on Ypda's right hand side goes to a point on I. on II. it is longer and not to a point, on III. it is larger and does not go to a point.
 
Difficult to explain, but when you look at the rope belt, you can see the differences in angle of the thread and the knot area
 
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The feet have different length toes and detail
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_71
 
The difference in detail can be seen on the back of the feet also
 


 

Ugnaught
 
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The Ugnaught can also have many of his distinuishing sculpt differences covered by his smock so again his feet can be a good place to look.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_14
 
The first rod in the pocket has a small lump on I. no lump on II. and a large lump on III.
 
The stripes are all different sizes on the collar and in the middle they line up with the 'V' differently as can be seen in the pictures
 
I. Large circle center on badge - II. Circle center has a nipple in it - III. Small circle center on badge
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_15
 
I. Large sole - II. Small sole - III. Small sole
 
The detail on the toe stripes is unique to each sculpt which can be seen in the picture
 


 

Dengar
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_77
 
The differences on Dengar are quite subtle and can be difficult to spot, the best place to look is on the small details on Dengars chest armour.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_76
 
The small armour clasps on I. and III. are long and on II. they are short
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_78
 
The various details on the chest armour a different, it's easier to look at the pictures and work them out than try and explain
 


 

Han Solo - Bespin Outfit
 
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The differences on Han Bespin are quite subtle and difficult to see, it's more about the definition of the detail. One of the best ways to identify the differences is the way the two torso halfs connect on the shoulder, however this is not visible from the front.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_80
 
I. No line on pocket top - II. Line on pocket top - III. Line on pocket top
 
The collar area and the line across the mid section are slightly different in shape and size also
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_81
 
The connecting points for the torso front and back are all different
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_82
 
The general detail on both the belt buckle and the holster buckle are different, easier to look and compare than explain
 
The small round object on the left hand side of the belt is unique to each sculpt also
 
The hands are slightly different shapes, this is most noticeable on the left hand
 


 

Lobot
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_83
 
Lobot has a clear and easily identifable difference concerning the pockets on his chest and is belt buckle.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_84
 
I. Pockets don't touch lines and are less defined - II. Pockets don't touch the lines and are more defined - III. Larger pockets which touch the lines in the middle
 
The shape of the hands, espetially the right thumb are different

I. Horizontal lines are short and meet the buckle edge - II. Horizontal lines are short but don't meet the buckle edge - III. Horizontal lines are long and don't meet the buckle edge
 
I. Rounded zipper - II. Rounded zipper - III. Angled zipper
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_85
 
As can be seen from the pictures, the size and shape of the collar at the back of Lobot's neckare all different
 


 

Leia Organa - Hoth Outfit
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_28
 
Leia Hoth has a couple of reasonisbly easy tell tale sculpt differences, again it involves a combination of a couple, the breast insignia mixed with the inside lapel. The right hand is also a good one as alll three are different.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_29
 
I. Three sections on top row - II. 4 Sections on top row (extra on right hand side) - III. 3 sections on top row
 
I. Dots on insignia - II. No dots on insignia - III. No dots on insignia
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_30
 
I. Wide grip - II. Closed grip - III. Open grip, longer thumb
 


 

Rebel Commander
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_63
 
The Rebel Commander has one very easy to spot and distinctive sculpt diffence seperating all three mould families, the creases below his belt.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_32
 
I. One full line, two half lines - II. Three full lines - III. One full line
 




Imperial Commander

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The Imperial Commander has a couple of easily identifiable sculpt differences focusing mainly around the chest insignia and his belt.
It is important to note though that Family I underwent a slight retooling at some stage during production. This concerns the thumb on his left hand, originally straight it had a small bit added to the end to bend it. The general assumtion hear would be that this was to better hold hid his gun, despite having a right hand which held it just fine. To the best of my knowledge this mold alteration only happened on COO family I and no others. Both straight and curved thumb can be found on the Hong Kong marked versions of the family. The no COO altered version of this family can only be found with the curved thumb of course.
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COO family I straight thumb and curved thumb

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_56

I. Squared insignia lumps with small central groove, single line pocket with squared off pen - II. Fat rounded insignia lumps with large central groove, double line pocket with squared off pen - III. Thin rounded insignia lumps with large central groove, single line pocket with thin rounded pen.

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_57

I. Fat buckle with slightly off center cricle - II. Thin buckle with centered circle - III. Fat buckle with centered circle, the belt on the left sidetapers as it joins the buckle also.



 

2-1B (Two-Onebee)
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_86
 
2-1B has a couple of small but quite easy to spot differences which seperate the two families.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_87
 
I. Outer eye sticks out - II. Outer eye is a hole
 
The details of the chest emblem are slightly different
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_88
 
I. No small nipple on elbow joint - II. Small nipple on elbow joint
 
The position and shape of the central internal connecting rod is different as can be seen through the clear plastic torso
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_89
 
I. Thin circles - II. Fat circles
 


 

Luke Skywalker - Hoth Battle Gear
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_90
 
It is easy to tell the two Luke Hoth families apart, there is several easy to spot differences.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_91
 
The head on I. is smaller than II. and the top of the goggles is notably larger on I. than on II.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_92
 
I. Large binocular lenses - II. Small binocular lenses
 
The general criss cross pattern on Luke's top is much more defined on I. than itis on II.
 


 

AT-AT Commander
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_93
 
The AT-AT Commander has better sculpt differences on his back than on his front, but they are still present on the front, just not as easy to spot.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_94
 
The armour clasps on his shoulders differ with each sculpt
 
I. Emblem set in a depression - II. Emblem not set in a depression
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_95
 
I. Belt has deeper depression lines - II. Belt lines are not as deep
 
I. Larger buckle circle - II. Smaller buckle circle
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_96
 
I. Large rectangles - II. Small rectangles
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_97
 
I. Faint creases - II. Deep creases
 


 

Cloud Car Pilot
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_98
 
There are a couple of very easy to spot differences which can instantly identify the Cloud Car Pilot's two families.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final100
 
The gun holster has several differences, the most obvious is in the lower box I. has two bars on the middle stripe, II. has three bars
 
I. Angled buckle - II. Round buckle
 
I. Rounded zipper - II. Angled zipper
 


 

Bespin Security Guard (Black)
 
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There is one easy way to spot the differences between the two families of the Bespin Security Guard which focuses on the small leaves that are part of the gold trimming.
 
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I. Leaves are detailed and rounded - II. Leaves are simple and flat
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final103
 
I. Non defined creases - II. Deeper defined creases


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Luke Skywalker - Jedi Knight Outfit
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_33
 
Two of the Luke Jedi family are again similar while one is different. Both the Made In Hong Kong and Made In Taiwan are very a like, they also both have longer legs than the Hong Kong figure making them both taller. The ungloved hand is a good focal point, there is also a line on the chest and marks on the boots, but these can often either be obscured from view by the cape or difficult to see because of the black colour.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_34
 
I. Single line - II. Double Line - III. Single line
 
I. Small hand - II. Larger hand, curved thumb - III. Larger hand, straight thumb
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_35
 
I. Single line - II. Double line - III. Single line
 


 

Emperor's Royal Guard
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_36

The Emperor's Royal Guard has several distinguishing features, the best is his robe belt, which unfortunately is covered by his cape. His head is an o.k. focal point, but his right hand is probably the best feature that isn't always obscured by his cape.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_37
 
I. Complex knot, lots of tassels - II. Simple knot, no real tassle detail - III. Complex knot, not many tassles
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_38
 
I. Oval style visor II. Downward crescent Visor - III. Oval style visor
 
The area between the 'nose' section of the helmet and the outer rim is different on each helmet which can be seen in the pictures.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_39
 
The right hand is different on each figure, both the shape of the hand and grasp and shape of the thumb are different which can be seen in the pictures
 


 

Princess Leia - Boushh Disguise
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final104
 
Leia in Boushh Disguise faamilies can be easily identified from the front and behind by looking at the bandolier strap and pack.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final105
 
The detail on the bandolier clsp is notably different on all three sculpts
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final106
 
The small area with the two vertical lines on the backpack are different sizes and positioned differently on each of the sculpts
 
The crease on the left shoulder strap is different on each sculpt
 


 

Rebel Commando
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final107
 
There are a couple of easy to spot differences on the Rebel Commando which maki identifying the families easy.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final108
 
I. 4 stripes on strapes - II. 3 stripes on straps
 
I. 2 creases - II. 3 creases
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final109
 
The small line on the gloves that run a long the finger and thumb and meet in a triangle are quite different
 
I. More creases - II. Less creases
 


 

General Madine
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final110
 
The differences are subtle but there all the same, The hands and the pocket on his belt are the best places to look.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final111
 
The size of the collare lapel and the placement of thebuttons on it are different
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final112
 
I. Open hand - II. Closed hand - III. Closed hand
 
The pocket on Madine's belt is different in detail on all three families, this can be seen in the enlarged section
 


 

Bib Fortuna
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final122
 
Like several figures, Bib is mostly covered up by his cape making it difficult to see any of him, thankfully his hands are actually onr of the best places to look for differences. With the Jcape off, the belt is also a good place like the ERG.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final123
 
I. Medium right hand with more angled thumb - II. Skinny right hand with less angled thumb - III. Fat right hand with no angle on thumb
I. Rounded tassle ends, simple knot - II. Squared off tassle ends, complex knot - III. round detail-less tassle ends, detail-less ball knot
I. No dots in gaunlet circles - II. Dots in guanlet circles - III. Dots in guanlet circles and more defined detail
I. No finger nails - II. No Finger nails - III. Woth finger nails
 




Biker Scout

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The Biker Scout is quite an east one as all the 4 families are very easy to spot sculpt differences which can be found on basically every part of the figure, but in fairness you don't really need to look any further than the torso. Naturally it goes without saying that the Lili Ledy figure is the easiest to spot because of the unique head sculpt which can be clearly seen in the group photo on the far right.

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_62

I. No line on chest - II. Line on chest - III. Line on chest - IV. No line on chest

The small 'V' on the Scouts belt is different on each family as cam be seen on the picture

Probably the best area to look at is the crouch where each family can be quite easily identified by the diagonal creases in that area, all are different

The hands on all four families are again quite clearly very different



 

Princess Leia - Battle Poncho
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final113
 
Leia with Battle Poncho has very clear differences in sculpt everywhere, unfortunately most of it is covered by the poncho.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final114
 
I. Very defined pocket details on arms - II. Non defined pocket detail on arms
 
The emblem on the right shoulder is notably different
 
I. Cross straps meet in the middle - II. Cross straps don't meet in the middle
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final115
 
I. Non detailed boot creases - II. Detailed boot creases
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final116
 
I. Round bottom tovertical stripes - II. Pointed bottom to vertical stripes
 


 

The Emperor
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final117
 
The Emperor has a detail on his belt which easily seperates the two families.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final118
 
I. Long middle crease, full bottom crease - II. Short middle crease, short bottom crease
 


 

Han Solo - Trench Coat
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final119
 
Han in Trench Coat can be easily identified by his head, the two families have a clearly different 'look' the sculpt differences are also very clearly different, but often hidden by the coat.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final120
 
The collar of Han shirt has more definition and is larger on I. than it is on II.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final121
 
I. Open hand - II. Closed hand
 
I. Bump on holster - II. No bump on holster
 
Both the belt buckle and holster buckle are much more defined in detail on I. than on II.
 


 

Rancor Keeper
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_58
 
The Rancor Keeper falls into the catagory that several of the latter Jedi figures fall into where there is a Taiwan COO and a no COO (formerly Hong Kong) and both are almost identical. Differences are often minor at best. There is one feature that certainly appears to be across the coard and despite being quite small it is quite easy to spot. It concerns the studs on his gauntlets.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_59
 
I. Very small barely noticable central stud - II. Large very noticable central stud.
 
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_60
 
I. Very small barely noticable central stud - II. Large very noticable central stud.


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POTF & Other Characters Guide




Droid Factory R2-D2 - Special Report

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Like many foreign companies, Palitoy cut a few corners in order to cut costs. In the case of the vehicles and playsets that they released, some where produced in the U.K. particularly the larger vehicles which would have been costly to import. Some things they did import and others they kind of did a bit of both. In terms of the playsets which where not as important as the likes of the significant vehicles like the Falcon and X-Wing etc. they made them in the U.K. to cut cost and made changes as it was likely deemed insignificant.
The Land Of The Jawas is a good example. They basically vacuum formed there own base and didn't produce the Escape Pod, the rest is cardboard, so BAM, playset good to go on the cheap.
The Death Star Playset is of course the most famous with it's infamous cardboard half dome structure which allowed a large scale playset to be made without impoting a single part while also working with the smallest cost possible, and to top it off, it's actually really good!

The Droid Factory Playset is an example of both in-house making and importing. All the small actual Droid parts where imported and are identical to the Kenner parts. The problem was most likely importing the large base and crane for what was essentially an non screen insignificant playset. The descision was made to produce there own base and like The Land Of The Jawas playset, they simply made a vacuum formed thin plastic base (found in either Yellow or Blue plastic) with a sheet of cardboard glued to the base. This served the exact same purpose as the Kenner version in that it housed the Droid parts, it just lacked the quality of the Kenner one and the additional crane part.
What has made the Droid Factory Playset infamous over the years is the 'build it yourself' R2-D2 that came as part of the set. The main feature of course being the third leg, making this particular R2-D2 the only truly screen accurate version produced in the entire Star Wars line.
The R2-D2 that is featured in the Droid Factory Playset already has it's own unique little feature concerning the decal sticker in the fact that it is reversed compared to the standard R2-D2 figures released during the SW, ESB and POTF lines. But there is a little known variation of this sticker which was unique to the Palitoy Playset.
Because Palitoy produced there own base for the set, they also produced there own decal sticker sheet to be applied to it, and of course this included the R2-D2 sticker.
The R2 sticker for the Palitoy set is completely different to the Kenner version. The paper its self is a darker colour in general and so is the blue colour used, the sticker is also non glossy like the Kenner version. Below is a basic guide which highlights the amin differences.
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_65

Kenner - Straight blue rectangle. Palitoy - Wavy blue rectangle

Kenner - Oblong grills. Palitoy - Circular grills

Kenner - Extra line in Hexagon. Palitoy - Single outline on Hexagon

Kenner - Clear circular pattern. Palitoy - Unclear circular pattern

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread Final_66

All the detils in the boxes at the bottom of the sticker are completely different between the Kenner and Palitoy versions


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Stellar amount of research, Alex!  And well explained with detail pictures.  :clap:  :clap:  :clap: 

Hoping for lots of input from our community now.


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Awesome!!! Fantastic work Alex!

It's a great start of a great guide for variant collectors!

Thanks and kudos to you!  :clap:  :clap:  :clap: 

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this is a guide i will be visiting regularly for variant confirmation, thanks for taking the time to put this together.
It is an excellent, precise and easy to follow guide Alex, very well done chief  Very Happy
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Nicely done Alex  cheers 

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Very impressive and great reading.
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Another mould family identifier can be the peg holes.  The Emporer & Bib come to mind:
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Outstanding :clap: 
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Excellent work Alex, well presented and a fantastic resource for variant collectors.  :clap: 

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Neck vs no neck may not be an identifier:
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these are both mould II

Head swaps are possible but this can also be found on the same mould family with Leia Boussh
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I agree AJ, that's one reason why I stayed clear of head as identifying points for the most part because of the potential head swap issue.
This may be the way they where made on the Sprue?

*edit* I have removed the neck/no neck image from the main page  Smile 


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Alex, Great work mate  cheers :clap:
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Excellent job. :clap:  This will be a great thread to follow. Very Happy 
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I'll have to check my Iggys now. Pretty sure I have the three shown here.

I have to give the variant guys credit. You have tons of dedication. And far better eyes than I do.

And a quick question to the guys who hunt and display their variants. do you ever pick a figure up off your shelf and have no idea which variant it is? And have to compare? I know I would.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread I_icon_minitimeThu May 01, 2014 2:59 pm

pffff....finally something less for me to do which I wanted to do since years!

keep on going, but I have one question:

Can you please, please, please linke every character in your first post??

If you need help for the html just let me know....or ask Marco etc...

That would be great!! Very Happy Very Happy

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@kisstour03 wrote:


And a quick question to the guys who hunt and display their variants. do you ever pick a figure up off your shelf and have no idea which variant it is? And have to compare? I know I would.

I use small stickers on the bottom of my display stands  which denotes the coo and any paint or sculpt variation  Smile 

Of course that means that each figure has its own personal display stand, so I have to be careful when handling them not to mix em up!!
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread I_icon_minitimeThu May 01, 2014 6:23 pm

Thanks everyone, much appreciated.
 
Wolff, the links are added now  Very Happy  (Thanks for that Jay  :clap:  )

*edit* Wolff, the links are actually up and running now  Very Happy  (yesterday was a fail)  What a Face 


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cheers

Awesome work, Alex!

Now to start staring at some MOCs! Laughing

cheers!
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I hope it is okay to contribute:

Emperor's Royal Guard

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There are many differences between the three families.
I am just reffering to some of them on the torso, the legs, and the head.
But there are a lot more also on the arms.


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I and III have a "round mouth". II has a "pointed mouth".


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The tassels and the trousers and the boots drape are completely different on the three families.

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Great contribution, Patrick! Very Happy

The more collectors contribute, the better.

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Btw: Be carefull on 2-1B and IG!

They have more "mould variants" then COO families....ist complicated....but well.

I will hopefully send you some pics the next days/weeks/month...LOL

Anyway....there is "inverted" dots regarding the arms on both and 2-1B has also three eye details!

And a last note: the heads are important. I know why you say: they can be swapped....but well...this should also help to determine a headswap I would add them???

Just my thoughts....though....

Anyway....I am leaning back and just enjocing this....surprise me Patrick and Alex....I am curious....I am sure you will find sth I havent noticed yet...so please go on  cheers cheers cheers 
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