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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 06, 2014 4:07 am

Nien Nunb

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The easiest way to spot the differences between the three Nien Nunb families is to have a look at the legs.
While the torsos, the heads, and the arms (besides the left thumb  Wink ) are looking quite similar, the legs and feet are completely different regarding the creases in the trousers and boots.


The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 Nnvorderseite-markierv6ulk
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 Nnrueckseitemmu5m
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Different creases and trouser pockets on families I, II and III.
III (Lili Ledy) has EPMs on the back of the feet. I and II no EPMs.


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Differences on the boots.


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Family III (LL) can be identified by the larger left thumb.



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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 06, 2014 4:33 pm

Great work Patrick  :clap: 
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 06, 2014 4:43 pm



Thanks for sharing Alex and Patrick.
Some great research from both of you.

Nien Nunb: Can the left tumb also be used as a distinctive feature?

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 Slide30

https://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t2135p375-the-lili-ledy-guide-discussion-thread-part-1#Nien Nunb
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 11, 2014 11:03 am

Sorry for this late reply ...

Marco seems to be right on this. Also my Ledy-Nunb has a larger left thumb. I will add this to my Nunb post asap.

Thanks Marco, much appreciated!
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You are very welcome, Patrick.

Happy that I can contribute something small (a thumb) to this great research.  Very Happy 
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 13, 2014 7:55 am

Updated my Nien Nunb and AT-AT Driver posts:

Nien Nunb: Comparison shot of left thumbs added, thanks Marco.

AT-AT Driver: Missing COO and marking for groove near mouth added. Additional picture with head grooves and shoulder differences, markings for bigger dot and rectangle on the back and markings for different circles on the sides added, thanks AJ.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeThu Jun 19, 2014 12:19 pm

B-Wing Pilot

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The most eye-catching distinguishing feature on the two B-Wing Pilot families is probably the dot in the circle on the chest.
If you see no dot it's family I if the dot is present it's family II.
As you can easily see there a many moulding differences on the chest.
I've just marked a few of them to make the picture not too confusing.


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The creases on the uniform are different on both families.


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The boots are quite different too.


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Different helmet shapes and tubes.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeThu Jun 19, 2014 12:46 pm

wow...some heavy updates....well done Alex and Patrick.

I just have one question....where is Bossk family #4???  affraid 

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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeThu Jun 19, 2014 12:56 pm

Cheers for the update Patrick  :clap: 


@wbobafett wrote:
I just have one question....where is Bossk family #4

I've been waiting for that  :cool laugh: 

I don't have one, and when I did the original sheet it was a while ago and I wasn't sure there even was one.

What is the situation wih the COO IV? It looks like tere is the 'scuffing' like a couple of the removed COO's have? Is it altered?
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 20, 2014 11:59 am

Excellent additions Patrick.  :clap:
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 20, 2014 12:45 pm

@General Kahn wrote:
Cheers for the update Patrick  :clap: 


@wbobafett wrote:
I just have one question....where is Bossk family #4

I've been waiting for that  :cool laugh: 

I don't have one, and when I did the original sheet it was a while ago and I wasn't sure there even was one.

What is the situation wih the COO IV? It looks like tere is the 'scuffing' like a couple of the removed COO's have? Is it altered?

It is altered....but never was produced as unaltered (HK). There is a few more altered ones that never were "released" with the original stamp as you know best....LOL
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 20, 2014 12:55 pm

Thanks for the kind words Wolff, Alex and Steve. I'm glad you like the updates.

Next to be added is the AT-ST Driver ...
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AT-ST Driver - work in progress

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Overall the two families look very similar.
The easiest way to distinguish them is to look just above the belt.
There is a difference concerning a crease in the uniform.
Also TW (I) figures have a wide stance compared to No COO (II) figures having a narrow stance.


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I small crease - II larger crease


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I larger square, larger dot, thicker rim compared to II


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I has thicker boot soles than II


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II boots have an additional horizontal line around the back portion



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I and II can be distinguished by the postion of the pegholes too.




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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 20, 2014 5:55 pm

Cheers for the update Patrick, I'm not entirely sure about the AT-ST Driver though, it's one that I have looked at in the past and that crease was the one thing that flared up, however I have Taiwan figures with both styles of crease, infact I have two Taiwan and one no COO and all look slightly different. I couldn't decide so put him a side.

I'll post some pics up tomorrow, see what you think.  :scratch: 
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 21, 2014 2:53 am

Thanks for your reply Alex. To be honest I have just the two pictured AT-ST Drivers  Embarassed 

So as not to draw false conclusions I've done a bit of an investigation before I posted this sheet. I've looked at other AT-ST Drivers on the web and compared their creases. I'm convinced that all of them fit in with my assumption. But there is a little difficulty in determining whether it's the smaller or the larger crease because of the black paint from the belt. It seems that sometimes the black paint is also applied a bit above the belt and therefore it looks like the crease is smaller than it actually is.

But maybe my eyes are deceiving me and I'm wrong ... I'm looking forward to seeing your pics!
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 21, 2014 3:15 am

Foot peg holes...
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 21, 2014 5:39 am

the Peg holes it is....but I also would love to find a difference from the front....without color or PEG holes because we would need this for identifying the belonging weapon molds!!

I am happy Patrick found one...I gave up after staring hours and hours on thos ATST Drivers  Razz Razz 

...but is this enough to identify a MOC one??
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@aussiejames wrote:
Foot peg holes...

@wbobafett wrote:
the Peg holes it is....but I also would love to find a difference from the front....without color or PEG holes because we would need this for identifying the belonging weapon molds!!

I am happy Patrick found one...I gave up after staring hours and hours on thos ATST Drivers  Razz Razz

...but is this enough to identify a MOC one??



You're right James, the peg holes are different too and I will add a pic to my sheet. Thanks for this input.

Woff, I hope this crease is enough do distinguish them also when they're MOC.


Had a quick look on ebay and found currently 9 AT-ST Drivers MOC:

4 of them have the small crease (which should indicate they are Taiwan ones) on a POTF card with marking TJ (Taiwan) (one of them seem to have the fat blaster the others I can't see)

2 of them have the large crease (which should indicate they are No COO ones) on a ROTJ card with marking HT (Hong Kong) (one of them seem to have the thin blaster the other I can't see)

1 of them has the small crease (which should indicate he is a Taiwan one) on a ROTJ card with marking TJ (Taiwan) (he seems to have the fat blaster but I'm not quite sure)

1 of them is on a ROTJ Card but the pic is crappy

1 of them has the small crease (which should indicate he is a Taiwan one) but is on a Made in Hong Kong Trilogo card (should not be overrated as Trilogos sometimes don't have the stated figures on them COO-wise, also accessories can be mixed up on them)
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 21, 2014 7:08 am

Excellent work Patrick.

@pattejan wrote:

1 of them has the small crease (which should indicate he is a Taiwan one) but is on a Made in Hong Kong Trilogo card (should not be overrated as Trilogos sometimes don't have the stated figures on them COO-wise, also accessories can be mixed up on them)

We have 3 more examples of Taiwan AT-ST Drivers on Hong Kong Tri-Logo cards in this thread: https://www.imperialgunneryforum.com/t6779-endor-blaster-pistol-wg-20
AJ also has one. Interestingly all 4 have the correct 'fat' blaster.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 21, 2014 7:38 am

Could be a pattern ...

I can't tell it from the pictures if each AT-ST Driver from this thread fit in with my assumption but the following do:

Commander Clint's Canadian AT-ST Driver with Taiwan COO has the small crease.

Section 8's AT ST Driver found for sale on SWFUK with Taiwan COO on a Hong Kong Trilogo card has the samll crease.


The other two Trilogo ones I'm not sure about ...



If anyone can prove or disprove my small/large crease assumption that would be great. So come on guys check your AT-ST Drivers!


Btw I've edited my sheet and added the pegholes pic!
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 21, 2014 12:39 pm

@pattejan wrote:
Could be a pattern ...

I've got an idea about that, but I want to do some more checking first.  Wink 



@pattejan wrote:

Section 8's AT ST Driver found for sale on SWFUK with Taiwan COO on a Hong Kong Trilogo card has the samll crease.

The other two Trilogo ones I'm not sure about ...

If anyone can prove or disprove my small/large crease assumption that would be great. So come on guys check your AT-ST Drivers!

I'll check the crease on mine for you as my picture in the other thread is one of the ones you're not sure about. I'll also dig out my loose ones.  Very Happy 

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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeSat Jun 21, 2014 12:43 pm

cheers cheers cheers 

so ATST Driver can be said is safe???

TW: fat??
No Coo: thin??

How sure are you Patrick?? Especially on the thin one??

I think TW fat is safe now....but the thin would be really new discovery!!
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@cantina_patron wrote:

I'll check the crease on mine for you as my picture in the other thread is one of the ones you're not sure about. I'll also dig out my loose ones.  Very Happy 

That would be great Steve, much appreciated!


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cheers cheers cheers

so ATST Driver can be said is safe???

TW: fat??
No Coo: thin??

How sure are you Patrick?? Especially on the thin one??

I think TW fat is safe now....but the thin would be really new discovery!!


Sorry Wolff, I'm not completely sure. Could be thin or maybe flat on the No COOs??? I have to find better pics!!! I'll try again tomorrow ...
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@cantina_patron wrote:

I'll check the crease on mine for you as my picture in the other thread is one of the ones you're not sure about. I'll also dig out my loose ones.  Very Happy 

That would be great Steve, much appreciated!


@wbobafett wrote:
cheers cheers cheers

so ATST Driver can be said is safe???

TW: fat??
No Coo: thin??

How sure are you Patrick?? Especially on the thin one??

I think TW fat is safe now....but the thin would be really new discovery!!


Sorry Wolff, I'm not completely sure. Could be thin or maybe flat on the No COOs??? I have to find better pics!!! I'll try again tomorrow ...

Awesome my friend!!!

My tip is flat! Thin is actually "rare" compared to the others if I remeber correctly....and that wouldnt match with ATST Driver.....LOL

But as said: not sure anymore....

I am looking forward to your results! Thank you very very much!!!
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Here are some close ups of my carded (Taiwan) and loose AT-ST drivers.  Note No COO on the left and Taiwan on the right. Hope this helps.

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