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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 23, 2014 4:11 am

Thanks for the pics Clint!

I' ve checked the completed listings of AT-ST Driver MOCs on ebay. Unfortunately most of the listings don't show the blaster clearly ...  Crying or Very sad 
But all pics that were good enough seem to prove that:

TJ factory code = fat blaster and small crease (Taiwan COO)
HT factory code = flat blaster and large crease (No COO) NOTE: It's not the thin blaster, I'm sure it's flat!


I have to admit that sometimes I wasn't able to tell whether the crease is small or large by looking at the pics.
So help is needed here still! Please have a look at your AT-ST Drivers concerning the crease and COO.
I am still convinced that small crease means Taiwan COO and large crease means no COO but maybe I'm wrong ...  :scratch: 

If anyone has a figure that doesn't fit in with my assumption please let me know.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 23, 2014 4:23 am

I know this isn't a mould difference but TW figures have a wide stance compared to NO COO figures having a narrow stance. This rule applies to all four of my figures, including LL no coo's.


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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 23, 2014 5:21 am

@walkie wrote:
I know this isn't a mould difference but TW figures have a wide stance compared to NO COO figures having a narrow stance. This rule applies to all four of my figures, including LL no coo's.


Stef, I agree with you on this observation but thought it was not worth mentioning it ... initially.
As I read your post and thought about it again ... I came to the conclusion it's worth mentioning it indeed!
I now think it is actually a mould difference because there must be a difference on the hip joints of the two
families (either on the legs or on the torso or on both of them) to cause a wide or a narrow stance!

Cheers mate, I have added this feature to my description!  :clap:
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 23, 2014 6:17 am

I've been staring at my AT-ST driver figure now till I'm dizzy in the head  doh 

I'm not 100% sure on the crease on the front is a moulding difference. Having measured both creases dimensional the feature seems the same, however due to overspray it appears to be smaller on one COO and not the other so is this a red herring?

Same 'small' differences I've spotted....

1. The square on the side of the TW helmet is larger
2. TW has thicker boot soles
3. No COO boots have an additional horizontal line around the back portion

Sorry no photos as I've had to put my figures down  geek , but like I say these differences are SMALL!

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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 24, 2014 10:29 am

Great work Stef! I've added your descriptions of these differences including new pics to my AT-ST Driver post.

Also I've marked the whole sheet as work in progress as I'm not completely sure about the crease anymore.  unsure 

But ... I haven't seen a picture yet which disproves my assumption. Alex pmed me that he will send me pics.

When I'm wrong about the crease I will remove the respective pic and description.


These are the new pics I've added:

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Atsthelmetmarkedy9jdm

I larger square, larger dot, thicker rim compared to II


The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Atstbootssolemarkedgzkmd

I has thicker boot soles than II


The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Atstbootslinemarkedptjyi

II boots have an additional horizontal line around the back portion
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 24, 2014 10:40 am

Scrap the wide stance thing, I have 5 no Coo ( two are wide stance) IMO no such thing as wide stance for any figure.  Some 'hard torso' figures have this trait.  Only one Taiwan ATST here so it's a bit hard for me to confirm differences.  Check the inside of the boot for extra detail?
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 24, 2014 11:18 am

Good work AJ, I only have 2 TW's and 2 NO COO's so if you have a mix of wide/narrow stance NO COO's then I agree it's not reliable.

As for the crease, looking at mine again today i's say 99.9999999999% it's an optical illusion which is caused by the over spray. Lets see what Alex's pm say anyway.

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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 25, 2014 6:48 am

I've checked my loose AT-ST Drivers, and based on my examples I'm also not convinced that there is notable difference in the crease above the belt. As has already been mentioned, I think the apparent difference is cause by the paint application.

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Dscn7014
I (Taiwan) on the left.



Here's a better pic. of the crease on my Tri-Logo Taiwan figure.

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Dscn7017



I've noticed another difference with the boots. If you look at the mold seams on the outside of the boots, II (no coo) has what appears to be a Sprue break near the top of each one. I (Taiwan) lacks these.

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Atst112
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Atst210

Edit: I've just noticed that sprue breaks are also present on the inside of each boot of II (no coo).

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Dscn7015
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 25, 2014 9:34 am

Saw this mentioned think it may be a mould defect but is consistent:
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeThu Jun 26, 2014 4:20 pm

James, I'm not sure about the wide stance thing. IMO it could be mould caused but on the other hand it's possible to modify the stance by bending or compressing the legs. So at the moment I would leave the picture of the stance differences in the sheet and wait for more opinions.  :scratch: 

Steve, thanks for your pics! I think it's the same on my figures with this sprue breaks, good work!  cheers 

Stef, I'm not convinced that the crease difference is just an optical illusion ... I haven't received Alex' pics yet but I have stared on my figs again and I am still positive that the creases are different. I've tried to take photos of both AT-ST Driver torsos with the same camera angle and added some horizontal lines to show that both torsos have the same size. Line #3 and #4 define the crease of the No COO figure (II) but the crease on the TW figure (I) doesn't fill the distance between line #3 and #4. So the crease on I must be smaller than the crease on II.
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Atstcreaselinesmarkedyljxc


As for EV-9D9, there was a discussion about these differences on the german forum but it wasn't finished:
http://www.lichtgeschwindigkeit.de/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1186&p=338041#p337810
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 27, 2014 7:52 am

Greedo

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Greedofrontmarkedsdaksg
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Greedocoomarkedsuakqu

While the torso and the head look very similar on families I and II, there are some quite obvious mould differences on the limbs.


The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Greedofrontmarkeds-2oujvz

II has a poor moulding on the front of the right thigh (and also on the left).
I has straight edges - II has rounded edges.


The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Greedorightsidemarkedbbjoe

Especially on the right leg it's clearly visible that the horizontal lines of Greedo's clothes are a bit shifted on both mould halves on family II.


The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Greedorighthandbackmainkrr
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Greedorightfingertips7ajpa

The right hand's fingers have different lenghts and the finger tips look quite different.



The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Greedolefthandbackmarunkex

I - The middle finger and the ring finger are stepped.
II - The middle finger and the ring finger are connected.


The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Greedolefthandmarkedsbbksp

The hand on I is "more openened" than on II.


The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Greedopegholesmarkedse9kwp

The feet are quite interesting. The shape of the feet is different on I and II.
But there is also a difference within family I. The left foot on mould b is smaller than on mould a.


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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 27, 2014 8:53 am

Nice work on the Greedo Pat. I'm missing one of those COO's and found it near impossible to identify which one I have/need from the COO chart alone  :clap: :clap: 

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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 27, 2014 10:59 am

Thanks Stef, I'm glad you like it. I'm still looking for the missing COO variant II1b ... but every time I think I've found it, it turns out to be II1a ...  No
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 27, 2014 11:18 am

I just checked and mine is the II1a Sad

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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 29, 2014 10:47 am

Walrus Man

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Walliefrontt6kku
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Walliecoolsjhj

There are some differences on Walrus Man's arms and legs. Especially the creases on
the crook of the right arm, the hollow of the left knee, and the hips are clearly different.


The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Walliehips-marked0hka2
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Wallieleft-markedr1kyu
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Wallieassright-marked31k8h
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Wallieknee-markedzxka4

Different creases on I and II.


The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Walliefeetup-markediwjqu
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Walliesoles-marked7sk6u

Different shapes of the toes.


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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 29, 2014 11:00 am

Nice work Patrick, you've got a great eye for detail.  Very Happy 
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 29, 2014 11:16 am

Just finished a Wally sheet, there's 3 hours I'll never get back :cool laugh: 
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 29, 2014 11:59 am

@cantina_patron wrote:
Nice work Patrick, you've got a great eye for detail.  Very Happy 

Thanks Steve, I'm glad you like the new sheets.  Very Happy 

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Just finished a Wally sheet, there's 3 hours I'll never get back :cool laugh:

Sorry Alex!!!  Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 29, 2014 12:09 pm

Yours is better than mine anyway Patrick  Very Happy  should be back on line later so I'll add some links to your recent entries  Smile 
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeSat Jul 05, 2014 6:37 pm

Updated with:

Chewbacca
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All hyperlinks to Patricks entries have also been added  Smile 
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeSun Jul 06, 2014 2:54 pm

Great update Alex!  cheers 

I have nearly finished an Ackbar sheet, hope I can add it tomorrow.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeSun Jul 06, 2014 9:00 pm

Excellent work guys. cheers  I don't always have time to comment on all the great things happening here on the Gunnery, but I must say, you guys are putting in a lot of excellent hard work. cheers 
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeMon Jul 07, 2014 3:44 am

Admiral Ackbar

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Ackbarfrontorj8z
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Ackbarcooyxj9r

While families I (small HK) and III (TW) have a nearly identical mould, family II (large HK) looks quite different.


The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Ackbarlefthipcujrd
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Ackbarrighthip1ak22

I and III tapered cavity. - II wide cavity.


The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Ackbarfootlwjbu
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Ackbarfootmarked1hjfp

II extra layer to sole and different flashing compared to I and III.


To distinguish I from III you can compare the right forearm and hand.

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Ackbarrightforearmklk9x
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Ackbarrighthandomkbe

I many details. - II less and slightly different details. - III most details (actually same details as I but better visible because they are not covered with paint).
Even though the forearm is actually not a distinguishing feature, it helps to identify the families (cheating a little bit here  Wink ).


A look at the head could help to differentiate family I from III.

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Ackbarheadntjcq
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Ackbarheadmarkedmek4s

While the EPMs/sprue breaks on I and II are on the back of the head it is on the forehead of III.

Unforetunately I found a family I Ackbar (marked I* in the pic) who has an EPM/sprue break on the forehead also.  doh 
But at least it looks a bit different Wink

(I'm not completely sure if we can take this as a distinguishing feature.
But when you look very closely it seems that the other family I Ackbars have leavings of this EPM/sprue break too!?)


There is one detail that is different on all three families.
It's not a really beloved feature, because it's actually not part of the mould but added to the figures after the moulding process.
But it's a consistent feature and it clearly differentiates the three families:

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Ackbarpegholes78jut

Different pegholes on I, II, and III.  Cool 


 Embarassed I know it's not the best description in this mould guide ... but I hope it's a bit helpful nevertheless.


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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 01, 2014 3:49 am


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TIE Fighter Pilot


The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Tiefrontrhc3n
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Tiecooswrdwj


Like many other figures, the TIE Fighter Pilot has 3 mould families. Two of them look quite similar (I & II) while the third (III) has easy to spot mould differences.

But there is one feature that is slightly different on all three families. It's the right thumb.


The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Tierightforearmr7d3f
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Tierightforearm-markeoyi9r

I short - II short and pointed - III longer



If you want to identify a TIE Fighter Pilot from a picture by this characteristic unfortunately it's not easy and when he holds his blaster it's impossible.

Here are some other distinguishing features that help identifying III at least (but not I & II as they are too similar).

The fingers are much more detailed on III (here's a picture of the right hands):

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Tierighthandx6fzi

I & II less detailed fingers - III more detailed fingers


The boots are also different (here's a picture of the right boots):

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Tierightbootwxetk
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Tierightboot-markedusc95

III more detailed sole and different flashing than on I & II


There is also a very easy to spot difference at the backside of the right leg:

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Tiebackavcf8
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 6 Tieback-marked65clf

III has a larger crease than I & II

Unfortunately this is not of big help as it's probably more easy to have a look at the different COOs instead as at this crease next to the COO!  Wink 



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Excellent new entrys Patrick.  Very Happy
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