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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 01, 2014 5:27 am

Thanks Steve, glad you like it!

Just an idea as thris thread sank already on page 2  Shocked  and I think it should not fall into oblivion.

Couldn't we make it a sticky?
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeFri Aug 01, 2014 5:38 am

It certainly deserves to be a sticky, as it is a valuable reference source. I'll ask admin, as I'm not sure whether I am able to do it.  Very Happy 
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Aug 02, 2014 10:43 am

Just spent 10 minutes looking for this thread!

Cheers guys at the top for making this a sticky  cheers 

Great up dates Pat, much appreciated  Cool 

I've added hyperlinks for both Admiral Ackbar & the Tie Pilot  Very Happy 

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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Aug 02, 2014 10:57 am

Squid Head

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 Squidheadfrontrho9u
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 Squidheadcooneof5


Unfortunately the distinguishing feature between the two Squid Head mould families is on
the boots and therefore covered by the figure's skirt so you can't see it on most photos.


The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 Squidheadfeetx2jx4

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 Squidheadtoes-markeddyuwg

I no bumps on the boots, more detailed boot ornaments - II bumps on the boots, less detailed boot ornaments
NOTE: There are two different bump patterns on the boots of family II (thanks for the pic Stef  Very Happy )


There is another feature that seems to only appear on family II:

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 Squidheadchest-markediqp5k

I has no depression on the chest - II often has a depression on the chest
NOTE: This is not a mould characteristic but a casting error!  Wink 




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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Aug 02, 2014 11:08 am

Sorry for this double post ...

Great Biker Scout update Alex, much appreciated.  cheers 

Just posted my own update while you posted  Wink 

Thanks for adding hyperlinks to my sheets. Here's the next one:  Cool 

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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Aug 02, 2014 11:21 am

Done!

Link added for Squid Head Pat  Very Happy  sorry though I can't offer any help there as I don't have a LL Squid.

Hopefully some others will chime in  What a Face 
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Aug 02, 2014 11:38 am

Hi Patrick, my LL Burgundy Squid has a similar sprue break on top of the head. It also appears to have the two bumps on the toe of the figures left foot. I can't check the other details as the figure is sealed in a case. When I can get to it, I'll check my loose MIM version.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSat Aug 02, 2014 12:44 pm

pat, i'll do my best to dig my two LL squidies out tomorrow for you Wink

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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSun Aug 03, 2014 2:49 am

@General Kahn wrote:
Done!

Link added for Squid Head Pat  Very Happy  sorry though I can't offer any help there as I don't have a LL Squid.

Hopefully some others will chime in  What a Face

Thanks Alex!  Very Happy 


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Hi Patrick, my LL Burgundy Squid has a similar sprue break on top of the head. It also appears to have the two bumps on the toe of the figures left foot. I can't check the other details as the figure is sealed in a case. When I can get to it, I'll check my loose MIM version.

Thanks for checking up Steve, sounds good so far.  Very Happy 


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pat, i'll do my best to dig my two LL squidies out tomorrow for you Wink

That would be great Stef, thanks.  bounce
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSun Aug 03, 2014 5:59 am

I've looked at my MIM Squid.

The head has a small sprue break (none of my 6 kenner ones has this feature).

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 Dscn7035



As you have observed Patrick, the detail on the boots is not as defined as the Kenner examples. The bumps on the toes are different on mine, but they are there. None of my Kenner examples have this imperfection.

Sorry about the picture quality, but hopefully you can see the bumps on the toes.

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 Dscn7111
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSun Aug 03, 2014 6:37 am

I two have 5 Kenner Squids that have no sign of a sprue break what so ever, But... I do have one Squid Head that does have this break. It is the brown cape version. The plastic of this figure is a lot softer than the usual Kenner versions and the belt is a different plastic also, as well as the skirt is a much thicker material. The actual figure was bought with a Tri-Logo card a few years ago, the seller was selling loads of figures all with cards, so very possibly the cards they originally came with, and this figure has been referred to as a Tri-Logo/Euro figure before but I'm not sure. Here it is though.

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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeSun Aug 03, 2014 8:57 am

@cantina_patron wrote:
I've looked at my MIM Squid.

The head has a small sprue break (none of my 6 kenner ones has this feature).

...

As you have observed Patrick, the detail on the boots is not as defined as the Kenner examples. The bumps on the toes are different on mine, but they are there. None of my Kenner examples have this imperfection.

Sorry about the picture quality, but hopefully you can see the bumps on the toes.

...

Thanks Steve ... I like the results of your observations!  Wink  cheers 


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I two have 5 Kenner Squids that have no sign of a sprue break what so ever, But... I do have one Squid Head that does have this break. It is the brown cape version. ...

And Alex ... I don't like yours!!!  Evil or Very Mad 

But I have to admit there seems to be a tiny sprue break on one (or maybe even two???  Shocked ) of my family I Squid Heads too. It seems I have overlooked this yesterday ...  Embarassed 


So, what necessary adjustments do we have till now?

1. I have to substitute the term EPM by sprue break.  Wink 
2. I have to edit that family I can have a sprue break on the top of the head too. But it is a tiny one compared to family II.

Do you agree gentlemen?

And the depression on the chest of family II, can anyone confirm this feature?
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeMon Aug 04, 2014 4:05 am

Heads are bad in general Patrick  Sad  Typically speaking though, it does appear to be pretty good, I've just checked another 5 beaters that I've used for customs and none of them have the sprue break.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeMon Aug 04, 2014 1:55 pm

I know what you mean Alex, heads can be swapped...  Evil or Very Mad 

However, to me it seems - at least till now - that family II has a significant sprue break and family I at most a smaller one if at all.

This is one of my family I Squid Heads that has a visible sprue break:

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 Squidheadispruebreak7xqln



While writing this post I compared this Squid Head and Steve's MIM Squid Head ...  and I'm not sure anymore if there is really a difference in size between these sprue breaks ...  unsure unsure unsure
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 12, 2014 7:35 am


C-3PO
(removable limbs)

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 C3porlfrontf4umo
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 C3porlcoobjuwi

You can distinguish the two mould families by two characteristics:

When looking at the figure's front you can see that family I has EPMs beneath the knees whereas family II has no EPMs.

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 C3porlknees0gu4v
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 C3porlknees-markedqku0l

I EPMs beneath the knees - II no EPMs


When looking at the figure's back you can see that the bolts are different.

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 C3porlboltgpuuz
The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 C3porlbolt-marked10u1l

I large bolt - II small bolt

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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 12, 2014 8:26 am

@pattejan wrote:


And the depression on the chest of family II, can anyone confirm this feature?

I've tried looking at my example in different lighting conditions and from different angles, unfortunately I can't see any notable depression on the chest between the creases.

Can others please dig out there Ledy Squids and help Patrick establish whether the depression on his example is a mould feature or a defect from casting?

Further confirmation that bumps on the toes are unique to Ledy Squids would also be good.  Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 12, 2014 12:59 pm

@cantina_patron wrote:

I've tried looking at my example in different lighting conditions and from different angles, unfortunately I can't see any notable depression on the chest between the creases.

What a bummer! Crying or Very sad  Thanks for looking Steve, much appreciated!  Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 12, 2014 3:33 pm

Family II - Lili Ledy Squid Head #1

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 5840H8T

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 L695NxU

This figures has both the double bump on the left foot and sprue break on top of the head.

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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 12, 2014 3:41 pm

Family II - Lili Ledy Squid Head #2

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 ZNxbXZu

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 Pn5yuDL

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 TdvJD5j

Again this LL figure has the sprue break on the head and what looks like a knife cut??, However like Steve's example this too has a different bump pattern on the feet.

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 5zwgvHF

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 9bhdMdr

Reference pic's showing COO markings and red staining on the limbs so it looks like this figure once sported a flasher cape Sad

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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 12, 2014 4:52 pm

Thanks for looking Stef!  cheers 


To summarise our Squid Head discoveries:

Family II (LL) has bumps on the feet and there are two different bump patterns. - Family I has no bumps on the feet.

Family II (LL) has a more or less distinct sprue break on top of the head.  - Family I has sometimes also a sprue break but mostly not.  :scratch: 

My family II (LL) Squid Head has a depression on the chest, whereas Steve's family II (LL) Squid Head hasn't this depression.  unsure  - Family I has no depression on the chest.


So help is still needed! Gentleman, please dig out your Squid Heads, have a look at them and post the results. Pics would be great. Thank you!  Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 12, 2014 5:10 pm

I'll check the chests tomorrow if possible, I have 4 to work at Wink

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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeWed Aug 13, 2014 3:04 pm

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So help is still needed! Gentleman, please dig out your Squid Heads, have a look at them and post the results. Pics would be great. Thank you! Very Happy

Family I x 2, no depression on chest

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 Kke3DCF

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 1urC2gD

Family II x 2, Lili Ledy with depression mark on chest

The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 IRnwJAK

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Family I, with sprue break on head  unsure 

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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeWed Aug 13, 2014 3:16 pm

Great work Pat on C-3PO  :clap: 

Great work on Squid everybody. Can I just say that the chest depression may not be a good identifying feature as this is likely the result of casting, I have several figures with this, off the top of my head I definately have bespin Luke with this exact same depression on one figure. I'll dig out a pic when I get back online.

inside each figure is a rod and hole (not the best desription) rod on one side of the torso, hole on the other. The rod goes into the hole to hold the figure together for the sonic welding process. These depressions occur where these are.
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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeWed Aug 13, 2014 3:27 pm

Alex, I was just thinking about that. There called 'sink marks' which can happen around thicker areas, ie bosses!! where the plastic cools differently.

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When the hot melt flows into the injection mold, the thick sections don’t cool as fast as the rest of the part because the thicker material becomes insulated by the outside surface of faster cooling plastic. As the inner core cools, it shrinks at a different rate than the already cooled outer skin. This difference on cooling rates causes the thick section to draw inward and create a sink mark on the outside surface of the part, or worse, completely warp the part. In addition to being unattractive, the mark also represents added stress that is built into the part. Other less conspicuous areas where sink occurs include ribs, bosses and corners. These are often overlooked because neither the feature nor the part itself is too thick; however, the intersection of the two can be a problem.

One way to avoid sink marks is to core out the solid sections of the part to reduce thick areas. If the strength of a solid part is required, try using cross hatched rib patterns inside the cored out area to increase strength and avoid sink. As a rule-of-thumb, make sure that all bosses and locating/support ribs are no more than 60% of the thickness of the nominal wall. Also, textures can be used to hide minor sink marks.

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PostSubject: Re: The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread   The Mould Family Guide & Discussion Thread - Page 7 I_icon_minitimeWed Aug 13, 2014 3:43 pm

Agreed, I'd definately say casting error.

the boots are good to go though yes? Seems so and that's all you need, just one thing. Got to bear in mind most times your not gonna see the torso on Squid Head anyway or the top of the head.
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