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ORRYSMITH New User

Posts : 14 Join date : 2017-03-25
 | Subject: Need Help PBP or Not PBP That is The Question Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:33 pm | |
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hellhippie Sith Apprentice


Posts : 1223 Join date : 2015-03-10 Age : 51 Location : right behind you
 | Subject: Re: Need Help PBP or Not PBP That is The Question Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:09 pm | |
| neither are pbp Spanish produced figures. the rebel commander should be the black boots variant and denger would have a scar . no pbp figure has the entire coo in tact |
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ORRYSMITH New User

Posts : 14 Join date : 2017-03-25
 | Subject: Re: Need Help PBP or Not PBP That is The Question Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:46 pm | |
| - hellhippie wrote:
- neither are pbp Spanish produced figures. the rebel commander should be the black boots variant and denger would have a scar . no pbp figure has the entire coo in tact
The only reason i querried as the article i have read on another site mentioned a tash on the Rebel Commander can often be painted longer on the figures left hand side although i could find none of the so called melt markks on this figure but i dont know if this is where i am becoming confused between POCH and later PBP figures and also the Dengars bottom has 4 melt marks on it although i understand also that these few things alone do not constitute and early POCH figure? Do you get to a stage where you find it easy to identify these things? Thanks for all your help today  |
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hellhippie Sith Apprentice


Posts : 1223 Join date : 2015-03-10 Age : 51 Location : right behind you
 | Subject: Re: Need Help PBP or Not PBP That is The Question Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:33 pm | |
| you will get better at id'ng variants from other variant collectors , that's how I got better . check the guides also .. heres some pics to help you out .. on a side note all rebel coomanders are poch (early production from spain) dengar is pbp (later Spanish production) there is also a poch dengar but you didn't ask about him the rebel commanders with the dark boots are know as black boots rebel commanders , there is also a very rare (theyre all rare actually ) orange boots poch variant as you can see from my 3 poch's here . notice the meltmarks on their asses . meltmarks are only one feature you should look for when id'ng a figure from early Spanish production.. the boots match the scar, mustache is longer on the right yes . differing black boot shades but these are basically whats out there . dengar produced from pbp later production has a pale face and very dark armor . notice the scar in his leg without the date . I have another pbp dengar but only took a picture of this one as their are a few differing scars on him .. hope this helps ,,, cheers     |
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ORRYSMITH New User

Posts : 14 Join date : 2017-03-25
 | Subject: Re: Need Help PBP or Not PBP That is The Question Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:01 pm | |
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hellhippie Sith Apprentice


Posts : 1223 Join date : 2015-03-10 Age : 51 Location : right behind you
 | Subject: Re: Need Help PBP or Not PBP That is The Question Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:01 am | |
| none of your figures are striking me as spanish made . where did you get them? the cuffs on the bespin guard and hands are wrong too rebel soldier pants are the wrong color , paint mask is also thats not a poch luke bespin either, there are 5 bespin lukes , i onluy own 2 of them . so im not 100% but the hand color is way off so i say no . |
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ORRYSMITH New User

Posts : 14 Join date : 2017-03-25
 | Subject: Re: Need Help PBP or Not PBP That is The Question Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:26 am | |
| - hellhippie wrote:
- none of your figures are striking me as spanish made .
where did you get them?
the cuffs on the bespin guard and hands are wrong too. rebel soldier pants are the wrong color , paint mask is also
thats not a poch luke bespin either, there are 5 bespin lukes , i onluy own 2 of them . so im not 100% but the hand color is way off so i say no . hi i got them ot them off gumtree they were part of a lot and when they arrived they were rough as you can see. i only paid a few pounds for them. Thanks for the advice i do appreciate it a lot i have now found out about a book that a gentleman has written on these figures so i am going to purchase a copy, i went in to water stones on Friday and they advised purchasing online. i am keen to collect Spanish figures and the prices are quite high but i find perfection in there imperfection. It just goes to show how wide the range of variation due to factory error or just quality related issues. i wont be collecting factory errors though unless they make me chuckle. i must say this site is very useful and the subject itself is extensive i really enjoying looking at the recent purchases too. A big thank you for the help as ever |
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hellhippie Sith Apprentice


Posts : 1223 Join date : 2015-03-10 Age : 51 Location : right behind you
 | Subject: Re: Need Help PBP or Not PBP That is The Question Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:36 am | |
| the Spanish line is by far my favorite line as well .. I feel the exact way you do .
javis book yes ... its the best . I was going to bring it up to you but it slipped my mind as I was focused on helping you out .
might as well learn from the best and javi , Sergio and those guys have a wealth of knowledge they've helped me so much / the book is great but doesn't cover every variant .
javi actualy sold me my first 2 Spanish variants a few years back and ive been hooked ever since . they were a luke xwing poch and a bespin guard poch .
glad to help and good luck . I look forward to seeing your Spanish figures as you acquire them . |
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ORRYSMITH New User

Posts : 14 Join date : 2017-03-25
 | Subject: Re: Need Help PBP or Not PBP That is The Question Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:19 am | |
| - hellhippie wrote:
- the Spanish line is by far my favorite line as well .. I feel the exact way you do .
javis book yes ... its the best . I was going to bring it up to you but it slipped my mind as I was focused on helping you out .
might as well learn from the best and javi , Sergio and those guys have a wealth of knowledge they've helped me so much / the book is great but doesn't cover every variant .
javi actualy sold me my first 2 Spanish variants a few years back and ive been hooked ever since . they were a luke xwing poch and a bespin guard poch .
glad to help and good luck . I look forward to seeing your Spanish figures as you acquire them . Any suggestions on where best to look for these figures for price and also confidence? Also had a look at some Luke X-wing examples u mentioned and LOL just brilliant.... literally brilliant great choice, i also enjoy art and draw / did a lot of warhammer when i was younger. I still have the tools and capability to work in a much smaller scale. I was thinking of doing a custom or two perhaps a Luke x-wing with a removal helmet and a luke endor with removal helmet sad i know and i dont like all customs but there are a few figures that should have been done differently and i intend to undertake a few of these |
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hellhippie Sith Apprentice


Posts : 1223 Join date : 2015-03-10 Age : 51 Location : right behind you
 | Subject: Re: Need Help PBP or Not PBP That is The Question Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:33 pm | |
| I use ebay or connections ive made on the forums |
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Bababooeyfett Imperial Officer


Posts : 110 Join date : 2016-06-29 Location : USA
 | Subject: Re: Need Help PBP or Not PBP That is The Question Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:48 pm | |
| I am confused regarding the rebel soldier. I thought the painted legs variant with that coo, the one pictured above, was Poch. I looked at this forum and then another via Google which led to more confusion for me. The similarities in the forums was the painted legs and the coo, what was different was the left chest patch and belt. This forum, from what I saw, did not mention the latter, patch and the belt, as exclusive to Poch which the other forum did. I googled imaged more and found more contradictions. I also found that in the forums melt marks were mentioned, as I know are a Poch characteristic, but the images displayed seem to not have any melt marks, at least none that were obvious. I am somewhat a novice, and if Orrysmith would have asked me if his rebel soldier was Poch, I would have said yes. I'm confused...Any clarification would be appreciated.thanks |
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ORRYSMITH New User

Posts : 14 Join date : 2017-03-25
 | Subject: Re: Need Help PBP or Not PBP That is The Question Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:09 pm | |
| - Bababooeyfett wrote:
- I am confused regarding the rebel soldier. I thought the painted legs variant with that coo, the one pictured above, was Poch. I looked at this forum and then another via Google which led to more confusion for me. The similarities in the forums was the painted legs and the coo, what was different was the left chest patch and belt. This forum, from what I saw, did not mention the latter, patch and the belt, as exclusive to Poch which the other forum did. I googled imaged more and found more contradictions. I also found that in the forums melt marks were mentioned, as I know are a Poch characteristic, but the images displayed seem to not have any melt marks, at least none that were obvious. I am somewhat a novice, and if Orrysmith would have asked me if his rebel soldier was Poch, I would have said yes. I'm confused...Any clarification would be appreciated.thanks
So is Orry Smith now lol It seems there is such a fine line between what is and what isnt, if you look further up the article my rebel soldier has the lopsided tash spray mask coupled with the boot color of the so called black boot poch figure although mine has no melt marks at all so its kind of similar to your query on my Rebel soldier figure, it should also be noted that he has the unpainted inner thigh join on both legs and the legs are the same white colour as the scarff but it does not show to well, also bang on the sprak mask on the badge if you go by other sites is wrong the black bar should be thinner for a start, i too have found certain forums give different info i think Javis book is a great starting point so going to be purchasing one of those |
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trappedtexan Moderator


Posts : 4772 Join date : 2012-12-01 Location : USA, Texas
 | Subject: Re: Need Help PBP or Not PBP That is The Question Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:03 pm | |
| Kenner made a painted legs rebel soldier also, the main difference is the paint used. Kenners paint is more cream/off white where as the spanish figure is a really bright pure white color. The legs and the area near the neck on the torso are both really bright white on the spanish figure. Sometimes it is hard to see it in pics but that is the main difference.
Coincidentally Javi also sold me my first spanish figure, an atat driver. I am far from an expert on the spanish line and in fact quit even collecting them as a ton listed on eBay are actually just kenner beaters and not even spanish. _________________________________________________ Bryan
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Bababooeyfett Imperial Officer


Posts : 110 Join date : 2016-06-29 Location : USA
 | Subject: Re: Need Help PBP or Not PBP That is The Question Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:25 pm | |
| This whole time I thought I had a Poch Rebel Soldier. I thought the painted legs were exclusively Poch. After your reply, I looked again at the images of the Poch Rebel Soldier. Your description of the pure white legs and scarf/neck area are spot on. Major oversight on my part. Thanks for the clarification. |
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